Prabhupāda: What is that basic energy? The basic energy is that living force, life of the soul. And the basic energy is absent, you cannot work any more. Finished.
Yogeśvara: (to guest) I think you're speaking about energy for like running machinery? Like solar energy and petrol energy, like that kind of energy?
Robert Gouiran: Well, the energy for this now, for this recorder.
Prabhupāda: Electric energy.
Robert Gouiran: For cooking your food.
Prabhupāda: Electric energy.
Robert Gouiran: Any energy you need to survive.
Prabhupāda: So energy comes from a source. Just like this electric energy is coming from the electric powerhouse. There is a resident engineer who is . . . what is called? . . . (indistinct)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Generating?
Prabhupāda: Generating, yes, generator. He is, somehow or other, putting the machine to get out . . .
Yogeśvara: Turning, turning the generator.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Engineer.
Prabhupāda: Engineer. So the electricity is being generated. So behind this energy there is the living entity, engineer. Otherwise it is useless; no more energy. If you drive away that resident engineer, the electricity will fail. No more energy.
Robert Gouiran: I see that, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You have to understand like that. So behind this big machine which is generating electricity there is a living being, who is pushing the button.
Robert Gouiran: Who organized it.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Without that, it is nothing.