Prabhupāda: Settle this. I create something which has got so power that it is localized, at the same time sarva-vyāpaka. And I myself, I cannot be sarva-vyāpaka. What is this logic?
Indian man (3): The sun rays are not actually . . . when there is hindrance, it cannot be on the other side.
Prabhupāda: No, hin . . . There is question of hindrance. I am seeing as it is. That is another thing.
Indian man (2): Hindrance is already there, as I described before. (laughter) Swāmījī, my request is that the world is divided into two main things. One, some people believe, a group people, tell that God is formless. Some say He has got a form. So instead of entering to this controversy, why we should not agree that whatever you . . .?
Prabhupāda: No, this is not controversy. This is fact, that God is . . . that is. . . we learn from śāstra,
- vadanti tat tattva-vidas
- tattva yaj jñānam advayam
- brahmeti paramātmeti
- bhagavān iti śabdyate
- (SB 1.2.11)
The Absolute Truth is manifested in three ways: impersonal Brahman and all-pervading Paramātmā and Personality of Godhead—brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate—but they are one and the same. This is the verdict of the śāstra. So we can understand from this example that the sun is localized. Everyone can see. At the same time, sunshine is all-pervading, and within the sun globe there is a predominating deity. He is a person. Similarly, originally God is person, and then, when He expands, all-pervasive, that is Paramātmā. And when He expands by His energy, that is Brahman. This is understanding. Brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti. Now somebody, they finish their business by realizing the impersonal Brahman, and somebody finishes his business by realizing the localized Paramātmā, yogīs. Jñānīs, yogīs. And the bhaktas, they come to the real, original source of everything: Kṛṣṇa. That is the difference.
Indian man (4): Swāmījī, I want to question whether the Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the same type of consciousness which is experienced by the devotees as that divine consciousness. Is it a divine consciousness?
Prabhupāda: Yes, Kṛṣṇa consciousness means divine. Kṛṣṇa means divine. Kṛṣṇa means divine.
Indian man (4): So that is the same.
Prabhupāda: But foolish people thinks Kṛṣṇa as ordinary man. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ (BG 9.11). Only mūḍhas take Kṛṣṇa as ordinary man. Otherwise Kṛṣṇa is always His complete spirit.
Indian man (4): We like His smiling face too much - Lord Kṛṣṇa's smiling face, always smiling. All forms of God we have seen, but His . . .
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is always smiling because Kṛṣṇa is ānandamayo abhyāsāt (Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12). That is the feature of God. He is ānandamaya.
Indian man (4): But . . . (indistinct) . . . even in Mahābhārata at the time of chariot, while sitting on the chariot of Arjuna, He was always smiling. There was a lot of battle going on, but He never lost His . . .
Prabhupāda: Temper.
Indian man (4): Temper.
Indian man (5): Yes. How do you think about somebody in last few days defeated the existence of Mahābhārata itself? They say it is a . . .
Prabhupāda: Who is that man?
Indian man (4): They may, they may.
Prabhupāda: He has defeated?
Indian man (5): No, if they say that "There was nothing like Mahābhārata," you tell.
Indian man (3): They may say, but . . .
Prabhupāda: The foolish man can say anything. (Hindi saying) How he becomes more than all the ācāryas, this rascal?
Indian man (5): My question is . . .
Prabhupāda: Your question is that he has proved. What he has proved?
Indian man (5): No, no. His point of saying is that . . .
Prabhupāda: Whatever he says, he is saying nonsense. That's it.