Chandobhai: Kavir manīṣiḥ paribhuḥ svayambhūḥ . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is being explained, yes. Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12).
Dr. Patel: Puruṣaṁ śaśvataṁ divyam ādi-devam ajaṁ vibhum.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Divyam. Divyam means spiritual. Tapo divyam. Tapo divyam (SB 5.5.1). That is the instruction of Ṛṣabhadeva, "My dear boys, you engage yourself in tapasya." Now, what kind of tapasya? Tapo divyam: for spiritual realization. Now, materialists, there are big, big scientists, big, big archeologists and so on, so on, they are also undergoing tapo. Without tapasya, nobody can become eminent. So they are also undergoing tapasya. Suppose one who has manufactured this atomic bomb. This is also tapasya. But not this kind of tapasya. Tapo divyam, for understanding Kṛṣṇa. To understand Kṛṣṇa, that tapasya required.
Dr. Patel: Shall I go further?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
- āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve
- devarṣir nāradas tathā
- asito devalo vyāsaḥ
- svayaṁ caiva bravīṣi me
- (BG 10.13)
Prabhupāda: Now, people may say that, "Arjuna was Kṛṣṇa's friend, so he is eulogizing Kṛṣṇa like anything." Therefore he is giving evidence that āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarva, "It is not my sentiment that I am accepting You as such and such. But . . ." (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa, Jaya. (break) He is giving evidence. This is required. This is required. If you say something, it must be supported by authorities. Not that my whimsically I say something like daridra nārāyaṇa.