Prabhupāda: That we are. We, part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, we are moving in this material body, but we are permanent. That is (indistinct). But Kṛṣṇa is not like that. Then it will be avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā (BG 9.11), a rascaldom.
Śyāmasundara: He says it appears that there is conflict between contradictory factors but...
Prabhupāda: But everything will be coincided in Kṛṣṇa.
Śyāmasundara: The whole process is eternal and permanent.
Prabhupāda: Just like so many radius, and it, everything middle points. You expand, you go, long, long, long.
Śyāmasundara: Even when the wheel turns the center...
Prabhupāda: The spoke. Spoke, and what it is called? Hub. Hub.
Śyāmasundara: ...remains constant. That's his whole idea of history.
Prabhupāda: That is explained in Bhāgavata. Kṛṣṇa says, aham evāsam evāgre. All expansions take place but He remains the same.
Śyāmasundara: Does it, does the spirit, is it the divine idea being actualized by the evolution of history and social, biological and everything...
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Hetunānena kaunteya jagad viparivartate. That is explained in Bhagavad-gītā, hetunānena kaunteya jagad viparivartate. Can you find out this verse, hetunānena, where is the Bhagavad-gītā?
Śyāmasundara: But if the truth is unfolding itself in history, in biology, in sociology...