Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, everywhere in the world . . . when we fly in the airplane, every country, mostly it's vacant land. It's only these big demonic cities.
Rāmeśvara: Their philosophy is first we'll conquer nature, then we'll talk about self-control. That is one philosophy.
Prabhupāda: Which is impossible. They'll never be able. You can control nature only by self-control. Otherwise, it is not possible. Ajitendriyāṇām. Ajitendriya means those who cannot control the sense, sense or sense organs.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Famous address because you were there, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Hmm. Number one hundred.
Hari-śauri: Seventy-second Street.
Prabhupāda: One hundred, Seventy-second Street.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Maybe we can go by it. On the way back if we go by, you could show us the building there.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And we will be able to see it.
Hari-śauri: Is that the flat that you were staying in, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that was broken into? Is that the place that was broken into?
Prabhupāda: It is not residential.
Hari-śauri: Oh.
Prabhupāda: But I was residing there.
Rāmeśvara: That was where the typewriter was stolen?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Tape recorder, typewriter.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, from up here.
Prabhupāda: It was stolen by that caretaker, black man. He expected some monthly remuneration.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The same thing happened at our temple here. They were employing one man for cleaning the floor. So after a while I told them, "Now fire this man." So anyway, they fired him. As soon as they fired him he stole a big air conditioner, worth five hundred dollars. Anyway, he came back later and we got the air conditioner. I caught him and I said, "Now bring it back," and I sent a devotee with him and he brought the air conditioner back.
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Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Hall of Minerals and Gems."
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They are having a big exhibit of minerals and gems, Museum of Natural History. One thing about this museum, it can give Baradrāj many ideas for doll exhibits.
Rāmeśvara: Yes, I'm going to go there with him when he comes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This particular museum, we used to go when we were children, and fantastic exhibits, really realistic.
Rāmeśvara: Yes, dolls, dioramas . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yes, all dioramas.
Rāmeśvara: . . . of dinosaurs.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, the whole thing is dioramas, the whole museum practically. I'll go with you also.
Rāmeśvara: They are convinced that dinosaurs, these gigantic animals, were living on this planet millions of years ago. They found some bones, and they have created the form of the animal body.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is it true that there were big dinosaur bodies?
Prabhupāda: If they were, it is still now.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, wow.
Prabhupāda: We don't say it is extinct.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But you've explained that even if not here then it must be on another planet.
Prabhupāda: Yes, another. This planet, what you have seen?
Rāmeśvara: That's the point. What we have seen about this planet?
Devotee (1): Could still be here. They found one in, where is that? In Ireland?
Prabhupāda: Cannot be extinct. That is not possible.
Devotee (1): In that lake?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But do you think they were on this planet?
Prabhupāda: No, no, may be on this planet, but it doesn't matter that it is extinct. You have not seen.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, that's a fact.
Rāmeśvara: Their idea is that at that time man was living in the form of half monkey, half man in a cave, and gradually he evolved to become more civilized.
Prabhupāda: That is still there. Kinnaras. Kinnaras. Kinnaras means it is doubtful whether he is man or monkey.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Wow.
Prabhupāda: There is a Kinnara-loka. Kimpuruṣa. Kinnara. They are still existing. It is not that they are finished.
Hari-śauri: I was reading a magazine when we were on the plane, and it was describing this type of monkey man, that they are being called . . . they existed in snow wastes.
Prabhupāda: Or what is called? The big . . .?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Orang-utan, gorilla.
Prabhupāda: Gorilla, they are like men.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, they are. Very much like men. We see them in the zoo.
Prabhupāda: They have got their senses like men.
Hari-śauri: There's another species they call the Yeti. They say it exists in the Himalayan regions. But they've not been able to capture one because, uh . . . but there's been many citings and reportings of it. It's like a monkey that walks.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: These scientists, they find one little bone and from that bone they make a hundred-foot body out of their mind. They say: "Well if this bone was like this, then the whole thing must have looked like this."
Rāmeśvara: That is the Museum of Natural History. They spend millions of dollars on these museums, making these displays. (break)
(walking)
Prabhupāda: . . . for dog, means she's going to become dog. She does not know how she is spoiling the life.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Unless she gets one of our books.
Prabhupāda: No, that is another plan. At least she does not know how things are going on.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, unless someone gets one of your books, there's no way they can come out of the darkness of this material world. There's no other source of knowledge being given them.
Prabhupāda: That is a fact. Śrīmad-bhāgavate mahā-muni-kṛte kiṁ vā śāstraiḥ (SB 1.1.2). When there is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, composed, compiled by Vyāsadeva, where is the use of other literature? Śrīmad-bhāgavate mahā-muni-kṛte.