Pradyumna: "Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps, and whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues."
Prabhupāda: Yes. So therefore we are trying to make men like you interested. (Prabhupāda laughs)
Lord Brockway: Yes. Yes and no. I've lived in public life for sixty years. I've been in Parliament. I'm now in the House of Lords. But I don't regard myself as a great man in any sense at all.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Of course, there are degrees, but...
Lord Brockway: And I've never wanted to be in a gov...
Prabhupāda: No great man wants to become great. But because he's great, God helps him to become great.
Lord Brockway: Yes. Well, what I was saying is I've never wanted to be in a government. I've never wanted to have power. I've had certain ideals that I wanted to serve, and just prepared to serve them.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Lord Brockway: ...wherever it led.
Prabhupāda: That every human being can do.
Lord Brockway: But as I see so many men and women who are regarded as ordinary men and women, and their heroism in life, their sacrifice in life, their service in life, makes me small compared with them, even if they are not known, and even if they are not thought to be great. And so I don't think to be great at all.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) No big man thinks like that. He thinks always small.