Prabhupāda: If he has taken sometimes fish, there was no way. What can be done? Not for his sense gratification.
Hari-śauri: Even that's not certain, that he took fish anyway.
Prabhupāda: Sometimes it is said.
Hari-śauri: Well, it mentions that they distributed foodstuffs to a lot of people, fish and bread, 'cause that's all that was available.
Prabhupāda: Yes, what can be done?
Hari-śauri: And because it wasn't always easy to get good water, there's a very cheap kind of wine. It's not actually very alcoholic. It's very, very cheap. Then they used to drink that because there's no good water.
Prabhupāda: That is not plea that we shall drink bottle after bottle.
Hari-śauri: Yes. (laughs) Catholic priests, they have a big stock in their cabinets, so much wine.
Prabhupāda: If they want to be reformed, we can reform them. On the basis of Bible, we can reform them. There is no difficulty.
Hari-śauri: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Most of my disciples they are coming from the Christian group. They can reform. Chanting is also recommended in the Bible, the glories of the Lord. I do not know why these rascals, Protestant... That means... The Protestant means last class. Why they should protest against Jesus law? Protestant means that. They protested. Is it not?
Hari-śauri: I'm not sure about... I don't know much about the history of Protestants.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That King John, who started this Protestant movement? Some king in England.
Hari-śauri: Yes, it was started like that.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He was forbidden not to divorce his wife.
Hari-śauri: That was the Church of England, Henry the VIII.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Oh, Henry the VIII. He started this Protestant.
Hari-śauri: He was excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
Prabhupāda: But this...
Hari-śauri: So he started the Church of England.
Prabhupāda: ...Protestant group was started by him.
Hari-śauri: I don't know anything about their history.
Prabhupāda: That is the history.
Hari-śauri: There's always been fighting between the Protestants and the Catholics though.
Prabhupāda: Well, fighting must be there. They protested.