Harikeśa: The spirit soul is...
Prabhupāda: Therefore, spirit soul is described as superior energy. He desires and he manipulates the matter. Yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat (BG 7.5).
Harikeśa: It's very logical, step by step by step by step. Actually when it's seen from the point of view of the desire of the living entity, it makes perfect sense because he's got these senses and the sound, and then in order to hear, there has to be a vehicle for the sound, and then there has to be an instrument. And then in order to touch there has to be the vehicle and the...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Harikeśa: So therefore, from that point of view, it's very logical.
Prabhupāda: This is the point, you have to...
Harikeśa: Trying to do it the other way is impossible. From the...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Harikeśa: Empirical process?
Devotee: I don't know if that's the right word.
Harikeśa: Inductive reasoning? Deductive reasoning. Impossible.
Prabhupāda: Deductive reason is possible. Kṛṣṇa says that na jāyate na mriyate vā. This is deductive: you hear from Kṛṣṇa, and this is fact. And if you want to make research, how that living entity never takes birth, then it will take time and at the same it may not be perfect.
Harikeśa: I finally understood why you were always talking to Svarūpa Dāmodara about inductive and deductive reasoning.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Harikeśa: Because it's just not possible to go the other way.
Prabhupāda: By inductive reason you cannot reach the truth perfectly.
Harikeśa: Because it's beyond the material creation and you have to use the material senses and mind to understand. It's not possible.
Prabhupāda: Therefore, our point is deductive. What Kṛṣṇa says, that is perfect.