Translator: What is our definition of liberty, freedom, spiritual?
Prabhupada: Liberty means whatever you like, you can do. That is liberty. But at the present moment, you cannot do that. Just like you want to go to the moon planet, you cannot do that. But when you are spiritually liberated, you can go anywhere you like. Still, in this material world there is a planet which is called Siddhaloka. The inhabitants of that planet, they go from any planet to any planet. But still, they can not go to the spiritual world. But Narada Muni, he can travel anywhere. He travels over all the spiritual world and material world. There is no restriction.
Translator: He says this freedom to go anywhere and everywhere...
Prabhupada: This is one of the items, there are so many others.
Translator: So he's pointing out that when one acts in complete freedom, he follows a path, a definite path to attain a certain truth.
Prabhupada: You get a spiritual body, that means freedom, no condition.
Translator: But he's asking where we're finding that truth. Can we find it only in the scriptures, in following all the regulative principles we're following day after day, or can we find also that truth by following our own path, by keeping our own freedom to do whatever we like?
Prabhupada: No, you have no freedom. You have to accept some way for freedom.
Translator: He says that this very truth is contained in the scriptures. So right from the beginning, to start with, he has to accept the scriptures.
Bhagavan: He is printing the scriptures, so he must accept them.
Yogesvara: He finds it difficult to accept that the truth is something that you can put down in black and white. He seems to feel that it's more something you can realize through meditation.
Prabhupada: How you'll realize? Unless you learn ABCD, how you can realize truth?
Translator: He's saying that we believe in the spiritual truth, but does that mean that our material truth does not exist?
Prabhupada: It is conditional. Just like your body exists for a certain days only. But it is not eternal. But you, soul, you are eternal.
Translator: For the truth, since each one finds the truth in himself, does that mean that the truth is different for each person? Each person has his truth.
Prabhupada: Yes, he's truth, he's soul, but he thinks as untruth, he thinks he's body.
Translator: He says that the truth is one, but as individuals we all realize that truth at different levels.
Prabhupada: That is rascaldom. Truth is one.
Translator: He says in terms of knowledge, one has a higher knowledge of that truth and one has a lower.
Prabhupada: That is different thing, but truth is one. Just like top floor is one. And one has gone few steps, another hundred steps, one has got ten steps, that is depending. But top is one.
Bhugarbha: Can he find the truth on his level, because he hasn't arrived at your level.
Prabhupada: How he can? If the top floor is hundred steps, how you can get it at ten steps?
Bhagavan: The point is that he has to at least be aiming in the right direction.
Prabhupada: Yes, that right direction you can take everybody's going, but one who has gone ten steps and one who has gone thousand steps, they are not equal. (man says "d'accord, d'accord.") What is "d'acca?"
Translator: He's agreeing.
Prabhupada: So, truth is one. Everyone is trying to go to the truth. Somebody has gone ten steps, somebody has hundred steps, but to cover all the steps, say one thousand steps. So unless you have passed one thousand steps, you cannot reach to the truth.