Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He is saying that just like with breeding of dogs or any animals, they keep a pedigree chart: "Here is the father, here is the father," pedigree. But with human beings they don't bother to do this. With the animals they are doing. Just like with our cows . . .
Prabhupāda: Therefore I say animal civilization. It is animal civilization. They are interested with animals.
Dr. Sharma: Previously what . . . (indistinct) . . . says, (Sanskrit). His credentials are being presented with for another man only to identify oneself. In other words, it's a passport to being mentally carried by a man. And it's being just passed on to another man. Nowadays of late in some of the countries in application forms, they are demanding that they should not ask father's name because many of them do not know. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is insanity.
Dr. Sharma: And this type of world, which is full of temporal pleasures and materialistic pleasures, they are being carried away and misguided.
Prabhupāda: So that is stated in the Śrīmad . . . na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ (SB 7.5.31). Bahir-artha-māninaḥ. They are interested only in the external nature, bahir-artha. They have no sense of understanding what is within the body. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās te 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ. So the leaders are blind, and they are leading blind men. Society is in chaotic condition.