Dr. Patel: Sarva-dharma means all other vocations, I would say. Dharma means he is . . . whatever vocational thing, therefore . . . is one of the, I mean, interpretations. "All vocations you leave and come to Me only and be My bhakta." That is . . . I would . . . Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66).
Prabhupāda: Yes. God is great; we are small. The small's business is to serve the great. That is going on everywhere.
Dr. Patel: And mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja means "You do work according to My dictate. That is My śaraṇam."
Prabhupāda: This is śaraṇam. Śaraṇam . . . Not that you remain independent from śaraṇam. No.
Dr. Patel: That means you obey the infallible laws of God.
Prabhupāda: God says man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī mām (BG 18.65). This is dharma.
Dr. Patel: They are thinking of something psychological, sir. If you think of a particular thing, then you become merge in that. Practically your mind becomes so . . . That is how the researches are carried out by them. Nobody . . . (indistinct) . . . You become mad on that. You become mad on Kṛṣṇa, you get . . .
Prabhupāda: It is natural to serve God, to remain faithful to Him. This is natural. And artificially you are trying to be independent. This is the Māyāvādī . . . Still they are trying to become God himself.
Dr. Patel: They, sir, I have, after we met . . . first I met you, some previous time, I made an extensive study of both the sides of Vaiṣṇavism as well as the same conclusion. I think they are falling short of the final . . . (indistinct) . . . Once they say that they are in Brahman, they are final. But there is Para-brahman also. That Brahman is nothing but a jyoti of Para-brahman. That they forget.
Prabhupāda: That means knowledge.
Dr. Patel: And I think, sir, even then Śaṅkarācārya has not meant that we must be short of that. He was also worshiping, was he not? He was worshiping Para-brahman.
Prabhupāda: He has given a commentary on the Bhagavad-gītā. In the beginning he says nārāyaṇaḥ paraḥ, "Nārāyaṇa is transcendental."
Dr. Patel: But these fellows are misinterpreting him later on.