Prabhupāda: Narādhamāḥ.
Indian lady guest: (indistinct) . . . if Kṛṣṇa knew the ending of the war, why did Arjuna have to fight and kill?
Prabhupāda: Because Kṛṣṇa wanted to fight. Kṛṣṇa wanted to fight. Kṛṣṇa is not nonviolent, bogus nonviolent. When there is necessity of fight, there must be fight. Kṛṣṇa has got two mission:
- paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ
- vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām
- (BG 4.8)
He is calm and merciful to the devotees, and He has to kill the nondevotees. But because He is absolute, either He loves or kills, the effect is the same. That is absolute. Therefore God is good, all-good. In any circumstances He is good. Even if He kills, the person who is killed, he immediately gets salvation, mukti.
English guest: Your Grace, in The Nectar of Devotion, in the Introduction, there was an account of Lord Caitanya and a disciple of His, and while he was in the presence of Lord Caitanya, he cast a lustful glance at a woman, and Lord Caitanya rejected him. And afterwards His disciples came to Him and said: "Please forgive this disciple."
And Lord Caitanya said: "You may go and forgive him and go and live with him, and I will stay alone." Afterwards, the young man committed suicide, and when Lord Caitanya, who knows everything, said: "It is good. It is very good," this makes me very afraid of committing, in a moment of forgetfulness, a mistake like this.
Prabhupāda: The thing is that Lord Caitanya did not like hypocrisy. One should not . . . one should be very much alert against becoming a hypocrite. So this Choṭa Haridāsa, he proved to be a hypocrite. Therefore He was so strict.
English guest: What became of him after he committed suicide?
Prabhupāda: He went to Vaikuṇṭha.
English guest: Went to?
Prabhupāda: Yes, because he was Lord Caitanya's associate.
English guest: I see.
Prabhupāda: He, by mistake, he fallen down. Caitanya Mahāprabhu punished him. But that does not mean he would not go to Vaikuṇṭha. He would go. Just like father punishes his son, that does not mean he is not admitted in the home. So that was an exemplary punishment for the hypocrites, because this Choṭa Haridāsa was in renounced order of life. So for a person who has renounced this world, so even glancing over a woman with lust is also not allowed.
But Caitanya Mahāprabhu . . . (indistinct) . . . gṛhastha s devotee, He was very kind. But gṛhastha is not hypocrite. Anyone who has got wife, it is understood he has sex life; so there is no hypocrisy. So one who poses himself, "I am sannyāsī, I am this, I am that," and within heart he is thinking of woman, that is hypocrisy. That Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not like.
English guest: That story is there as a warning for me.
Prabhupāda: Yes. For anyone. If you have desire to enjoy, then don't become a sannyāsī, brahmacārī. You become a married man, live peacefully with wife and children. That is allowed.