Prabhupāda: These rascals, they invent their theories. Kṛṣṇa says, tathā dehāntara prāptir (BG 2.13), and these rascals says "Once." Just see.
Dr. Patel: The rascals have also realized now that there is a dehāntara-prāptir, because the parapsychology has proved beyond doubt so many examples recently, at present, that there is a rebirth. People who are reborn and know their past births—they have recognized their parents, their places and secret things also. There was a patient in Rajastan. One was in Northwest India. There was one in South America. They were all published in medical bulletins.
Gurudāsa: People accept them?
Dr. Patel: Generally . . .
Prabhupāda: Medical science do not accept the soul.
Dr. Patel: No. No, sir.
Prabhupāda: Then how it is possible, next birth?
Dr. Patel: They should have to accept. In the teaching of physiology, what we call certain vital forces which we don't understand, they are . . . this is nothing but God there. What is vital force? What is vital force? It's the soul, sir.
Prabhupāda: Vague idea. Not clear.
Dr. Patel: They will become clear later on. Slowly, slowly, the cloud is clearing away from them.
Prabhupāda: No, when . . . There is clear idea already. Nothing is going to happen, but because they are less intelligent, therefore next stage is when their intelligence will happen. Things are already there.
Dr. Patel: The greatest scientist of the world, Einstein, was a great believer in God, and he was a moral just like a ṛṣi.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I have seen his picture.
Dr. Patel: His behavior was that of a sādhu.
Gurudāsa: Simple. He lived simply.
Dr. Patel: Not only simply, but he never worried much about things. When he was asked in Christian university how much money he would want paid when he first migrated to America, he said, "What is the standard of living here?" "Five hundred dollars?" "All right . . . (indistinct)"
Trivikrama: But still, the tendency is . . . Kali-yuga means their tendency is away from . . .
Dr. Patel: It is Kali-yuga for all of us—for the good and the bad.
Prabhupāda: Kali-yuga means mandāḥ. Mandāḥ—two meaning. One is "slow"; another meaning is "bad." So mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyā (SB 1.1.10). Four times this word used: mandāḥ, sumanda-matayo, manda-bhāgyā.
Dr. Patel: But one thing about Kali-yuga is that by doing small amount of good work or doing little bhakti, it has a greater amount of benefit than you would get otherwise in Satya-yuga, Dvāpara or Treta. Is it not, sir? No . . .
Prabhupāda: No, good work or bad work, you have to enjoy, good or bad.
Dr. Patel: But in Kali-yuga a little bhakti will do much good than a good amount of tapaḥ in Satya-yuga, thousands of years or millions of years.
Prabhupāda: Bhakti is different. Bhakti is transcendental. It has nothing to do with this material world. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate (BG 2.40). That is bhakti. And karma, if you do good, you'll get good result, and if you do bad, you'll get bad result.
Dr. Patel: But if you are attached to the karma . . . When a person is attached . . .
Prabhupāda: No, attached or not attached, if you touch fire it will burn. That's all. This is karma. If you . . . Just like child touches fire. It doesn't matter whether he is child or not; fire's business is to burn. Karmaṇā. Karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa jantur dehopapattaye (SB 3.31.1). So karma, śubhā-śubha saba bhaktir baddha—Caitanya-caritāmṛta. Śubha karma or aśubha karma, they are all hindrances to spiritual progress. In material world, good and bad, both are the same. Dvaite bhadrābhadra sakali samāna. Bhadra and abhadra. Bhadra means good; abhadra means bad. Sakali samāna ei bhala, ei manda—saba 'manodharma. "This is good; this is bad"—they are simply mental concoction. (pause) So Mr. Kapoor has sent one letter to take the key.
Gurudāsa: From where?
Hari-śauri: Kumbha-melā.
Prabhupāda: From that house.
Gurudāsa: Jagadīśa Prabhu can show me.
Prabhupāda: Jagadīśa has got that letter. So people are enthusiastic there about this melā? People are coming now?
Gurudāsa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: How many men are found there?
Gurudāsa: When I was leaving there was about eighty thousand.
Prabhupāda: Acchā?
Gurudāsa: But they expect ten million. That's the estimate. Many camps, many paṇḍāls.
Prabhupāda: And store, supplies, everything is . . .
Gurudāsa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Road is nice.
Gurudāsa: It's being improved. In some spots it's nice. But because it's on sand they have to always keep it wet, and they put metal plates down. They're trying to do it very well.
Prabhupāda: There is a Māgh-melā committee. One magistrate is the head. A regular committee for managing this melā.