Prabhupāda: Kṣetra-jña, yes. Kṣetra is also there; kṣetra-jña is also there.
Dr. Patel: Kṣetra is the tree and kṣetra-jña is...
Prabhupāda: This body's also. The kṣetra is there, kṣetra-jña is there. Similarly...
Dr. Patel: Samaṁ sarveṣu bhūteṣu...
Prabhupāda: Samaṁ sarveṣu bhūteṣu means the kṣetra-jña is there.
Dr. Patel: Tiṣṭhantaṁ parameśvaram...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Vinaśyatsv avinaśyantaṁ...
Prabhupāda: There is also Paramātmā. It does not mean because he's dog, there is no Paramātmā. There is also Paramātmā. Because Kṛṣṇa says, īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati (BG 18.61). Kṛṣṇa does not discriminate that "I shall not remain within the body of dog. I shall remain within the body of a brāhmaṇa only." No. Sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata. This is samatā, that... Because a devotee can understand that Kṛṣṇa is there within the dog, within the cat... Simi...,
- vidyā-vinaya-sampanne
- brāhmaṇe gavi hastini
- śuni caiva śva-pāke ca
- paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ
- (BG 5.18)
He knows that in everywhere, in every body, there is the Paramātmā. And ātmā also. Then samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu.
Dr. Patel:
- samaṁ sarveṣu bhūteṣu
- tiṣṭhantaṁ parameśvaram
- vinaśyatsv avinaśyantaṁ
- yaḥ paśyati sa paśyati
- (BG 13.28)
Prabhupāda: Ah.
Dr. Patel:
- samaṁ paśyan hi sarvatra
- samavasthitam īśvaram
- na hinasty ātmanātmānaṁ
- tato yāti parāṁ gatim
- (BG 13.29)
Prabhupāda: That, that samata, he knows that Paramātmā is everywhere. Aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-sthaṁ (Bs. 5.35). But that does not mean paramāṇu has become Paramātmā. Daridra has become Nārāyaṇa. This is rascaldom. This is rascaldom. Daridra is daridra. But you know, within the daridra, there is Nārāyaṇa. That is another thing. But that does not mean Nārāyaṇa has become daridra. This is rascaldom.
Dr. Patel: (Gujarati)
Guest 3 (Indian man): You can say it is no good. Nārāyaṇa...
Prabhupāda: This rascaldom is going on. Daridra-nārāyaṇa. What is this nonsense? Nārāyaṇa has become daridra?
Dr. Patel: No, but my one point is there. You may call me a fool even. I don't mind. But everything is covered by God. Even so in daridra, that is covered by God.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is rascaldom. Everything is covered by God. But that does not mean everything is God.
Dr. Patel: I did not say everything is God. I said everything is...
Prabhupāda: That everyone knows. Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma. That is not a very new thing.
Dr. Patel: So, so daridrata is also covered by...
Prabhupāda: Yes, without, without God, there cannot be anything.
Dr. Patel: There should be an ounce of Nārāyaṇa...
Prabhupāda: That does not mean... That I have already explained. But that does not mean he has become Nārāyaṇa.
Dr. Patel: I don't say he has become Nārāyaṇa.
Prabhupāda: But they, they say, daridra-nārāyaṇa. They say, the rascals say like that.