Nobody is interested about mokṣa. Or nobody can conceive even that there is something as mokṣa. Mokṣa means to get free from this condition of birth, death and old age. That is called mokṣa, liberation. So at the present moment modern educated persons, they do not know that there is something like mokṣa and it can be achieved, and there is process, and the whole Vedic śāstra is trying to educate us for getting mokṣa. They do not know it. So we have become so dull. Therefore, in this age, Kali-yuga especially, our conditions are described as manda, very, very bad or very, very slow. Mandāḥ sumanda-matayaḥ. And if one little interested, they will take some path which is not approved. Which is not approved. They will invent something, so many "isms."
Now, some people came, very prominent men of Bombay, some . . . they have also invented something to educate or to enlighten the residents of the forest and the mountains. No, no, what you are doing for here? But they are interested . . . not interested. It is a hobby. Nobody can be . . . there is mountain, and suppose, suppose in Africa, there are so many Africans, they are living in the . . . there is nature's law, but there is a process. This process is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, by which everyone can be elevated. Not by these material means. Material means, you cannot do that. We are . . . just like in the Śukadeva Gosvāmī's statement it is said:
- kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā
- ābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ
- ye 'nye ca pāpā yad-apāśrayāśrayāḥ
- śudhyanti . . .
- (SB 2.4.18)
You can make everyone happy, even the kirāta. Kirāta means the Africans. They are called niṣāda. Niṣāda was born as the son of the king . . . I forget just now name. Mahārāja Pṛthu's brother.