Prabhupāda: So long we are not on the platform of sanātana, all our life is simply sinful life. Either you think that you are very pious . . . real piety means to come to the platform of sanātana-dharma. So if we do not come to the platform of sanātana-dharma from the platform of asanātana-dharma we are simply committing sins, nothing but . . . (break) . . . come to the platform of sanātana, then apāpa-viddham. Then there is no more . . . no papa can touch.
In the Bhagavad-gītā also it is said, daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14). You cannot be free from the contamination of this material world. Then how? Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te. You can simply become free from all contamination, sinful life, when you are a surrendered soul. Mām eva ye prapadyante. Kṛṣṇa therefore comes to teach us this. He's teaching. He's so much compassionate with our suffering that He's coming personally. Otherwise, what is the purpose of His coming? He's always being worshiped by lakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānam (Bs. 5.29).
So He has no business to come here to ask you any food. But Kṛṣṇa is so kind that He says, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati, tad aham aśnāmi (BG 9.26). Is He poor? Still, He says, universal: patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyam. Anywhere, in any part of the universe, you can secure a little leaf, patram, a little flower, a little water, and offer Kṛṣṇa: "My dear Kṛṣṇa, everything is Yours. So just to offer my gratitude . . . I am very poor. I have no means to offer You nice things. So I have brought this." Kṛṣṇa says: "Yes, bring it." Tad aham aśnāmi. "I shall eat." Why? Bhaktyā. "Because you are offering Me with bhakti."
This is Kṛṣṇa's want. You become bhaktas, Kṛṣṇa will be very satisfied. Not that you become very big man, very big leader. That will entangle you again. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate (BG 8.19). Simply waste of time. Just become bhakta of Kṛṣṇa, then everything is all right. Otherwise you are spoiling your life. Bhṛtya.
So this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. We are trying to stop people spoiling his life, māyā. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says, māyār bośe, jāccho bhese'. Just like a straw is carried away by the waves of the river, similarly you are being carried by the waves of this māyā, illusory energy. Māyār bośe, jāccho bhese', khāccho hābuḍubu bhāi. Sometimes you are being drowned; sometimes you are coming out on the surface.
Jīva, jīva kṛṣṇa dās, e biśwās korle to' ār duḥkho nāi. If you simply believe, take it for acceptance that, "Kṛṣṇa is our eternal master, I am eternal . . ." then there is no more carried away by the māyā's waves. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti. This is wanted. Except Kṛṣṇa consciousness, whatever we are doing, simply we are wasting our valuable life. This is the conclusion. (break)
Indian man (2): Swāmījī, then what is the . . .
Prabhupāda: No, prārabdha can be changed.
Indian man (2): Prārabdha-karma . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. I am replying you. Prārabdha can be changed. Kṛṣṇa says. Prārabdha means you are enjoying the fruits of your past activities. That is said in the Brahmā-saṁhitā: karmāṇi nirdahati kintu ca bhakti-bhājām (Bs. 5.54).
Nirdahati. Karmāṇi, the resultant action of your past karma, can be vanquished by Kṛṣṇa. As Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi (BG 18.66): "I shall give you protection."
Indian man (2): Even from punar janma, karma . . .?
Prabhupāda: Everything. Finished. As soon as you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, everything is finished. But don't commit again. Stick to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then you are safe.
Indian man (2): Then what was the necessity for the Pāṇḍavas to suffer, when they had themselves surrendered to the Lord Kṛṣṇa, and they have suffered?
Prabhupāda: They have not suffered. They have served Kṛṣṇa's purposes. Kṛṣṇa wanted to kill all the demons. They did it. That's all.
Indian man (2): One more question, Swāmījī. When Lord say that (Sanskrit), that means whatever the sins being committed are going to be committed all by only His will and wish, then why a person should be hated as a cruel person, and to kill him, and why God should take a other and do all these things?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Because Kṛṣṇa . . . without Kṛṣṇa's sanction, you cannot do anything. Therefore first of all you desire, and Kṛṣṇa gives you sanction to fulfill your desire. And as you, you fulfill your desire, you become complicated with the reaction of your desire. Yajñārthe karmaṇo 'nyatra karma-bandhanaḥ. If you act for Kṛṣṇa, then you are all right, but if you are acting for your sense gratification, you'll be entangled by the resultant action.
So Kṛṣṇa is so kind that if you want to do something, first of all He says: "No." Just like a thief, he's praying to God: "My dear Lord, give me some opportunity I can steal that thing." Kṛṣṇa first of all says: "No, no. Don't do it." But he insists. Then Kṛṣṇa says: "All right. Do it." But as soon as you do it, you become entangled. Why you are doing against the will of Kṛṣṇa? That is your entanglement. Kṛṣṇa says: "Don't do this." Why you are doing that?
So Kṛṣṇa is giving you facility to steal others' property, but you become entangled. That is not Kṛṣṇa's responsibility. Your responsibility. Suppose a high-court judge gives sanction that, "This man should be condemned to death. He should be hanged." Does it mean the high-court judge is your enemy and hanging you? He has nothing to do to become your enemy or friend. You have committed situation that you should be hanged. He's giving order: "Be hanged." That's all.