Devotee (2): Prabhupāda, you stated that on the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra all the warriors who were dying in the presence of Kṛṣṇa, they all gained liberation. So I'm wondering . . . each one of us has within our heart also the representative of Kṛṣṇa. So when we die, why is not everyone liberated?
Prabhupāda: But you have no sense of Kṛṣṇa. You have no sense of Kṛṣṇa. Or actually you do not die. That is another thing. This death means in the . . . that is described in the Bhāgavatam: those who die before Kṛṣṇa, they attain their original position, svarūpa. Svarūpa. So that is real success. Otherwise, there is no death. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). It is not death; when our body is destroyed, that does not mean we are dead. You are spirit soul, I am spirit soul, every one of us, but we have no death. That is another illusion. Tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati (BG 2.13). This so-called death, it is not death. Dhīra, one who knows, one who is sober, he knows that "This man or this boy or this father is dying . . . he's not dying. Dehāntara-prāptiḥ: he is just changing another body. He's changing an . . ." So actually we have no death. The change of body. So we are accepting this change of body as death. That is another illusion. Dhīras tatra na muhyati. One who is sober, he is not bewildered. He knows that . . . suppose we are sitting here. We are sitting here, and after a few minutes we shall go away. That does not mean we are dead.