Prabhupāda: Still in doubt. The brain is not clear. Your background is that rascal civilization. (indistinct) If you understand Bhagavad-gītā, you cannot support all this... (indistinct—too faint) That I never said.
Śatadhanya: You are not moved by the scientists.
Prabhupāda: You should be firmly convinced about our philosophy. Otherwise where is that firm...? How you can support these rascal scientists? That is your rascaldom. Take it for granted. One who cannot understand this fact, that soul is immortal, body is... He is no more human; he is animal.
Śatadhanya: Sa eva go-kharaḥ (SB 10.84.13). Ass and camel, you say. But if we follow strictly your instructions, then we may gradually understand.
Prabhupāda: Why gradually? That means the background is foolish civilization, that's all. It is simple thing, very simple. Child is becoming boy. The body has changed. Where is the difficulty? How you can defy this argument? (break) (indistinct) Still if it is so, that means a dog's obstinate rascal. Immediately. Or animal. Animal cannot be convinced.
Upendra: They... The karmīs, they made one movie where the whole world was monkeys, Planet of the Apes, and one human being came...
Prabhupāda: Rascal, they were monkeys; now they have become human being. Just change of position.
Upendra: They wouldn't...
Prabhupāda: You have to accept a change of body. Change of bodies you have to accept from your argument. You were monkeys; now you are human being. This is change of body.
Śatadhanya: Evolution means change of body.
Prabhupāda: That is real evolution. What do they know of change of body? Therefore I say that, that you people, your brain is filled up with stool. You require thorough washing. You are not civilized. What is meaning of civilization? Improve animal life to civilized life. A dog can walk on the street naked; a man cannot. That is civilization. Otherwise dog is eating; you are eating. He's sleeping; you are sleeping. This is civilization. (indistinct) Culture. You have no knowledge of culture. Real knowledge is this: the body is there and changing; the soul is there, eternal. Then you become on the platform of God. If you remain in the same ignorance of knowledge, then where is your advancement of civilization? If you cannot understand the simple truth, then where is your civilization?
Śatadhanya: They have no civilization.
Prabhupāda: No, where is civilization? If you remain like animals, where is that civilization?
Śatadhanya: Just from the daily newspaper one can see that it is all madness, insane. (break)
Prabhupāda: Because whole Vedic knowledge is concentrated on the point how to stop birth and death. Eternal life.