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== Lectures ==
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=== Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures ===
<div id="LectureonSB2319LosAngelesJune151972_0" class="quote" parent="Srimad-Bhagavatam_Lectures" book="Lec" index="390" link="Lecture on SB 2.3.19 -- Los Angeles, June 15, 1972" link_text="Lecture on SB 2.3.19 -- Los Angeles, June 15, 1972">
 
<div class="heading">So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement comprehends all sides of life. It is not that a stereotype "churchianity," weekly going to the church and come back and do all.
<span class="LEC-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 2.3.19 -- Los Angeles, June 15, 1972|Lecture on SB 2.3.19 -- Los Angeles, June 15, 1972]]:''' So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement comprehends all sides of life. It is not that a stereotype "churchianity," weekly going to the church and come back and do all.</span>
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on SB 2.3.19 -- Los Angeles, June 15, 1972|Lecture on SB 2.3.19 -- Los Angeles, June 15, 1972]]: </span><div style="display: inline;" class="text"><p style="display: inline;">So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement comprehends all sides of life. It is not that a stereotype "churchianity," weekly going to the church and come back and do all.</p>
== Conversations and Morning Walks ==
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=== 1973 Conversations and Morning Walks ===
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Prabhupāda: He doesn't want any improvement. He wants to keep it as a... Just like professional church, temple.
<div id="MorningWalkFebruary281973Jakarta_0" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="5" link="Morning Walk -- February 28, 1973, Jakarta" link_text="Morning Walk -- February 28, 1973, Jakarta">
 
<div class="heading">No, no, that is which we call churchianity. Christianity, churchianity.
Devotee (1): They're more attached to the external form that they already have.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- February 28, 1973, Jakarta|Morning Walk -- February 28, 1973, Jakarta]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: He doesn't want any improvement. He wants to keep it as a... Just like professional church, temple.</p>
Prabhupāda: No, no, that is which we call churchianity. Christianity, churchianity.
<p>Devotee (1): They're more attached to the external form that they already have.</p>
 
<p>Prabhupāda: No, no, that is which we call churchianity. Christianity, churchianity.</p>
Devotee (1): Churchianity. (laughs)</span>
<p>Devotee (1): Churchianity. (laughs)</p>
 
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<span class="CON-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- September 19, 1973, Bombay|Room Conversation -- September 19, 1973, Bombay]]:'''
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f we do not follow strictly our regulative principles, routine work, then the whole scheme will be failure. Then, instead of Christianity, it will be "churchianity." You know this word, "churchianity?" You know? Yes. Everywhere this churchianity is going on. And the real aim is how to enjoy sense, under different cover.</span>
<div id="RoomConversationSeptember191973Bombay_1" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="76" link="Room Conversation -- September 19, 1973, Bombay" link_text="Room Conversation -- September 19, 1973, Bombay">
 
<div class="heading">You know this word, "churchianity?" You know? Yes. Everywhere this churchianity is going on. And the real aim is how to enjoy sense, under different cover.
<span class="CON-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 12, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 12, 1973, Los Angeles]]:'''
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Just like these people, either in India or here, they remain simply churchianity, going to the church without any understanding.</span>
<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- September 19, 1973, Bombay|Room Conversation -- September 19, 1973, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: If we do not follow strictly our regulative principles, routine work, then the whole scheme will be failure. Then, instead of Christianity, it will be "churchianity." You know this word, "churchianity?" You know? Yes. Everywhere this churchianity is going on. And the real aim is how to enjoy sense, under different cover.</p>
 
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=== 1975 Conversations and Morning Walks ===
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<div id="MorningWalkDecember121973LosAngeles_2" class="quote" parent="1973_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="99" link="Morning Walk -- December 12, 1973, Los Angeles" link_text="Morning Walk -- December 12, 1973, Los Angeles">
<span class="CON-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 7, 1975, Mayapur|Morning Walk -- April 7, 1975, Mayapur]]:'''
<div class="heading">Just like these people, either in India or here, they remain simply churchianity, going to the church without any understanding.
As soon as there is any contemplation of sense gratification, then the spirit will be lost. Then instead of Christianity, it will be "Churchianity," officially going to the church, doing nothing, and gradually nobody will go.</span>
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- December 12, 1973, Los Angeles|Morning Walk -- December 12, 1973, Los Angeles]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: If anyone is worshiping the Deity very nicely, but na tad-bhakteṣu cānyeṣu, but he does not know anything more, who is devotee, who is nondevotee, what is the duty to the world, sa bhaktaḥ prākṛtaḥ smṛtaḥ, he is material devotee. He is material devotee. So we have to take the responsibility to understand who is actually a pure devotee and what is our duty to the people in general, and then you make advancement. Then you become madhyama-adhikārī. Madhyama-adhikārī, advanced devotee. Just like these people, either in India or here, they remain simply churchianity, going to the church without any understanding. Therefore it is failing. It is now... Churches are being closed. Similarly, if you do not keep yourself fit to preach, then your temples will be all closed in due course of time. Without preaching, you'll not feel enthused to continue the temple worship. And without temple worship, you cannot keep yourself pure and clean. The two things must go on, parallel. Then there is success. In modern time, either Hindus, Muslim or Christian, because in these places there is no teaching of philosophy, therefore they are closing, either mosque or temple or church. They will close.</p>
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<div id="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="8" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1975 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1975 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3>
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<div id="MorningWalkApril71975Mayapur_0" class="quote" parent="1975_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="48" link="Morning Walk -- April 7, 1975, Mayapur" link_text="Morning Walk -- April 7, 1975, Mayapur">
<div class="heading">As soon as there is any contemplation of sense gratification, then the spirit will be lost. Then instead of Christianity, it will be "Churchianity.
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<span class="link">[[Vanisource:Morning Walk -- April 7, 1975, Mayapur|Morning Walk -- April 7, 1975, Mayapur]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Satsvarūpa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, sometimes you say only a very small percentage can take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p>
<p>Satsvarūpa: But yesterday morning in your lecture you were saying it can expand to ten thousand, million, or ten million.</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes, if you take the proper way it can be increased.</p>
<p>Satsvarūpa: Is that just up to our preaching?</p>
<p>Prabhupāda: Yes. That will depend on your purified preaching activities. If you again become materially victimized, then you cannot do it. If you remain on the spiritual platform, if you try, then it will increase. Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam ([[Vanisource:CC Antya 20.12|CC Antya 20.12]]). It will increase. As soon as there is any contemplation of sense gratification, then the spirit will be lost. Then instead of Christianity, it will be "Churchianity," officially going to the church, doing nothing, and gradually nobody will go.</p>
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Latest revision as of 10:07, 8 February 2013

Lectures

Srimad-Bhagavatam Lectures

So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement comprehends all sides of life. It is not that a stereotype "churchianity," weekly going to the church and come back and do all.
Lecture on SB 2.3.19 -- Los Angeles, June 15, 1972:

So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement comprehends all sides of life. It is not that a stereotype "churchianity," weekly going to the church and come back and do all.

Conversations and Morning Walks

1973 Conversations and Morning Walks

No, no, that is which we call churchianity. Christianity, churchianity.
Morning Walk -- February 28, 1973, Jakarta:

Prabhupāda: He doesn't want any improvement. He wants to keep it as a... Just like professional church, temple.

Devotee (1): They're more attached to the external form that they already have.

Prabhupāda: No, no, that is which we call churchianity. Christianity, churchianity.

Devotee (1): Churchianity. (laughs)

You know this word, "churchianity?" You know? Yes. Everywhere this churchianity is going on. And the real aim is how to enjoy sense, under different cover.
Room Conversation -- September 19, 1973, Bombay:

Prabhupāda: If we do not follow strictly our regulative principles, routine work, then the whole scheme will be failure. Then, instead of Christianity, it will be "churchianity." You know this word, "churchianity?" You know? Yes. Everywhere this churchianity is going on. And the real aim is how to enjoy sense, under different cover.

Just like these people, either in India or here, they remain simply churchianity, going to the church without any understanding.
Morning Walk -- December 12, 1973, Los Angeles:

Prabhupāda: If anyone is worshiping the Deity very nicely, but na tad-bhakteṣu cānyeṣu, but he does not know anything more, who is devotee, who is nondevotee, what is the duty to the world, sa bhaktaḥ prākṛtaḥ smṛtaḥ, he is material devotee. He is material devotee. So we have to take the responsibility to understand who is actually a pure devotee and what is our duty to the people in general, and then you make advancement. Then you become madhyama-adhikārī. Madhyama-adhikārī, advanced devotee. Just like these people, either in India or here, they remain simply churchianity, going to the church without any understanding. Therefore it is failing. It is now... Churches are being closed. Similarly, if you do not keep yourself fit to preach, then your temples will be all closed in due course of time. Without preaching, you'll not feel enthused to continue the temple worship. And without temple worship, you cannot keep yourself pure and clean. The two things must go on, parallel. Then there is success. In modern time, either Hindus, Muslim or Christian, because in these places there is no teaching of philosophy, therefore they are closing, either mosque or temple or church. They will close.

1975 Conversations and Morning Walks

As soon as there is any contemplation of sense gratification, then the spirit will be lost. Then instead of Christianity, it will be "Churchianity.
Morning Walk -- April 7, 1975, Mayapur:

Satsvarūpa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, sometimes you say only a very small percentage can take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Satsvarūpa: But yesterday morning in your lecture you were saying it can expand to ten thousand, million, or ten million.

Prabhupāda: Yes, if you take the proper way it can be increased.

Satsvarūpa: Is that just up to our preaching?

Prabhupāda: Yes. That will depend on your purified preaching activities. If you again become materially victimized, then you cannot do it. If you remain on the spiritual platform, if you try, then it will increase. Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam (CC Antya 20.12). It will increase. As soon as there is any contemplation of sense gratification, then the spirit will be lost. Then instead of Christianity, it will be "Churchianity," officially going to the church, doing nothing, and gradually nobody will go.

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