Prabhupāda: Why they are for abortion?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Because it gives them unlimited room for sense gratification. The whole business is...
Prabhupāda: So why not become brahmacārī?
Devotee (1): They want to dance without paying the piper. (laughter)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I tell them "Birth control by self control." That is our program.
Prabhupāda: Besides that, why birth control?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They say because the world is overpopulated.
Prabhupāda: So much vacant land in your country.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, everywhere in the world. When we fly in the airplane, every country, mostly it's vacant land. It's only these big demoniac cities.
Rāmeśvara: Their philosophy is first we'll conquer nature, then we'll talk about self-control. That is one philosophy.
Prabhupāda: Which is impossible. They'll never be able. You can control nature only by self-control. Otherwise, it is not possible. Ajitendriyāṇām. Ajitendriya means those who cannot control the sense, sense organs.