Prabhupāda: It is as good as that garden here. Rather, here there is no disturbance of outsiders, and there there are so many disturbances. It is better. Our theory is... Not theory; fact—daiva-netreṇa. These things are arranged by superior management.
Jñānagamya: Actually, Prabhupāda, that lust is a perverted expression of love. Kṛṣṇa is creating out of love, and in the material world it becomes perverted. So in the material world lust is the cause.
Prabhupāda: Yes. In the spiritual world, what is love, that is material world, lust.
Harikeśa: So you agree with me?
Jñānagamya: Yes, you are right, but you do not understand where that lust is coming from. That lust is perverted from Kṛṣṇa.