Dr. Patel: So all the avatāras of God, they come with a controlling...
Prabhupāda: Ātma-māyā.
Dr. Patel: Controlling.
Prabhupāda: Sambhavāmy ātma-māyayā [Bg. 4.6]. They do not come under the control of this mahāmāyā. They have got their own spiritual potency. Āhlādinī-śakti. Ātmanaṁ sṛjāmy aham. Ātmanam: Myself, I advent." How it can be like ordinary man? We are... karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa [SB 3.31.1]. We get body. But He says....
Dr. Patel: And it is by His own free will.
Prabhupāda: Yes, as He likes. He likes to appear as fish, that's all. Not that... Ordinary fish, it is forced to take the body of a fish.