Prabhupāda: Give him lesson how to make tilaka. He has come to your shelter. You teach him. (break) Just like a diseased person, if he is a little careless, he is not very strict in following the . . . it will take some time. It is exactly like that. He, because of his material opulences, he thinks that "Oh, where is the disease? This is all right. I am happy." That is the defect. We have to reduce. That is called tapasya. Not that, "Because my tongue is asking me to eat something, therefore I must eat." Not that. That is the difference between ordinary man and gosvāmī. Gosvāmī means one who has conquered over the dictation of the senses. My sense dictates to do something, but when I am able to dictate the sense, "No, you cannot do it," that is called gosvāmī.
(aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break)
Dr. Patel: . . . maybe an African or Indian?
Prabhupāda: No, Indian.
Dr. Patel: African, after all. Americans must be first . . . (indistinct) . . . some politically conscious Africans.
Prabhupāda: We have got about ten African devotees now in our Nairobi branch.
(break) . . . attached to material sense enjoyment. Such person cannot take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
(break) . . . avoid the dictation of the senses. But when a man is able to dictate the senses, then he is gosvāmī.
Dr. Patel: That is . . .?
Prabhupāda: Gosvāmī.
Dr. Patel: "One who is lord of go, senses."
Prabhupāda: Yes, senses. In that stage he cannot give up. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartante. When one sees that, "This is better quality than the other," then he takes. Unless . . . because superficially . . . suppose for becoming Vaiṣṇava he has to undergo so many austerities. So ordinary man cannot find out that this is better life than that. So when he understands, "This service is not good. To serve Kṛṣṇa is good," then he can give up the service of māyā. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate (BG 2.59). Just like an ordinary servant, he is serving in your house, but if he gets some more salary in other's house, he gives it up. That is required. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate.