Svarūpa Dāmodara: But the real theory started by Darwin, that was accepted for several years, but later on, with new advancement, his theory changed. His theory became disproved, that "What you are saying, it is not right, it is not final." So theories can change. So same thing, Darwin's theory is also changing.
Śyāmasundara: But his impact upon the thinking of the world so completely changed the whole conception of...
Prabhupāda: That is now changing again. So what is the use of that, such change?
Śyāmasundara: Well, you have to investigate, because he is important for our...
Prabhupāda: No. That's all right. We will investigate; and a theory which changes, it will change, that's all. It is not a fact. The sun rising is a fact. It cannot change.
Śyāmasundara: Still, you say if there were high forms of, say Brahmā, in Brahmā's time or millions of years ago, there were also other high animals besides men?
Prabhupāda: All I say is that all kinds of different classes of forms were existing, since the creation.
Śyāmasundara: On this planet there were higher forms?
Prabhupāda: Why are you taking this planet? We are talking of the whole creation. In the creation everything is there.
Śyāmasundara: If you expect me to understand this, I have to see it on this planet.
Prabhupāda: That is not knowledge.
Karandhara: Possibly there were and possibly there weren't.
Śyāmasundara: You tell me that Rāma and some other higher creatures lived on this planet so many millions of years ago, so I can expect some day to find evidence of that?
Prabhupāda: The evidence is the authority, Vedic literature.
Karandhara: What other authority will you accept? If you dig up a bone and make a test with your own senses and accept that as an authority...
Prabhupāda: Bone authority. So you will be satisfied with your own authority. We have got our different... If you don't accept my authority, then I don't accept your authority.
Śyāmasundara: It would just seem if there were bones surviving for millions of years, why not cities, why not chariots, why not...?
Prabhupāda: Yes. During Rāmacandra's time there were chariots. Everything was there.
Karandhara: They have found pieces of chariots and pieces of cities.
Śyāmasundara: Not millions of years ago.
Karandhara: How do they know it's not millions of years ago? What is their test for proving?
Prabhupāda: That millions, that is also bogus. You see? In the human history there is no history more than three thousand years. They are talking of millions of years. Why?
Śyāmasundara: You are a scientist. What other ways do they date geological findings? How do they date them?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Now it is Carbon 14 is the most reliable technique.