Prabhupāda: No, no, no. Own way one cannot understand rightly. That is another rascaldom. Dr. Patel: Understanding God is always supraconscious with them. Never by the mind.
Prabhupāda: They . . . one has to rise, rise . . . understand rightly from the right person. He cannot. He's imperfect. How he can understand rightly?
Dr. Patel: Yes, that's right.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: If a man has seen a place, that man will show you that place. That is how it is.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (3): But to reach that place there are several ways.
Prabhupāda: Therefore it is said, tattva-darśinaḥ. You have to approach a person who has seen the truth. You don't manufacture your own truth. That will be misleading. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet (MU 1.2.12). This is Vedic instruction. In order to understand scientifically, you must approach a guru.
Indian man (3): And with a clean slate.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Indian man (3): With a clean slate of his mind.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Samit-pāṇiḥ śrotriyam (MU 1.2.12).
Dr. Patel: It is complete spirit of submission.
Prabhupāda: Submission. Because . . .
Dr. Patel: And inquiry also.
Prabhupāda: . . . I am a fool. If I go with a challenging spirit, what is the meaning of my challenging? I am a fool.
Dr. Patel: That is how we people are educated
Prabhupāda: Yes. But the Westerners are not that. (break) . . . different thing. They never say anything against me. Whatever I say, they accept. We have got so many Western men.
Dr. Patel: This education has created this, this sort of morose . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: . . . in the educational system . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (3): Inquiring is not bad. Inquiring of anything is . . .
Prabhupāda: No, inquiring submissively. Not that challenging. If one challenges to inquire, he'll never be benefited.
Dr. Patel: That is how . . . even the Einstein inquired himself so unchallengingly. That man was such a big mathematical genius . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: Knowledge cannot be acquired by challenge. Knowledge is acquired by submission. That is the process.