Prabhupāda: So many things are coming, according to their research.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about the city of Dvārakā? We do not find it remaining anymore.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. It might have destroyed. Might have been. What is that? So many cities are . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So we cannot believe what we don't see.
Haṁsadūta: Actually, the scientists don't accept this theory at all any more about the man . . .
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Haṁsadūta: The more advanced scientists, the more up-to-date ones, they reject this whole Darwin thing. But it's become so ingraded in the minds of the people that they have published, this Life, Time Magazine, they publish millions of books and sell it. People read about ape man, that the man came from the ape and so on. It's become such a popular, it's like a fairy tale.
Prabhupāda: Propaganda. It is propaganda, that's all. By propaganda, you can do any false thing you can describe. This is called. . . propaganda is called in Bengali, dasha cakre bhagavan bhutha. Dasha cakre bhagavan bhutha. Bhagavan . . . one gentleman's name was Bhagavan, and his friend conspired that "Let us make us some joke that he has become ghost." So wherever he was going, the friend: "Oh, oh, a ghost, ghost, ghost, ghost!" (laughter) "No, no, I am not ghost; I am . . ." "No, no. Ghost." . . . (indistinct) . . . they, "This man has become crazy. Why he calling me ghost? I am not ghost." Then he goes another friend, then he also says like that: "Oh, here is a ghost, here is a ghost, here is a ghost!" (laughter) Then third friend, everyone, because they have conspired. Then he began to think, "I must have become ghost. (laughter) So certainly I'm . . . all friends have calling me 'ghost, ghost.' " That is dasha cakre bhagavan. If you make propaganda, if he's not ghost, you can make him ghost. That's all. This is propaganda. This is called propaganda. By propaganda you can establish a false thing as real. That's all. This is going on. They know how to do it. They're expert, because they're cheaters. They know how to do it.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Cheating business.
Prabhupāda: That's all. This is going on. Even something which is . . . just like our Śyāmasundara has become victim. This rascal has given him some stone, and "It is very valuable," and he's jumping: "Very valuable." And has taken ten lakhs of rupees. This pakkā propaganda has . . . (indistinct) . . . and he has taken victim. That's all. He's not in his sense, even now that, "If he has given me real gem, why I am unable to sell it for the last three, four years?" (laughter) Such a foolish.
Devotee: He's saying that he has to create the market.
Prabhupāda: Good things, does it require? That is propaganda. You have got some false thing, you have to make propaganda to prove it that it is real.
Devotee: That is the proof it is false.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And this man has taken money for . . . and he cannot supply even maintenance for his wife and girl. You have seen Mālatī?
Devotee: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Not properly dressed. And this poor girl is not properly dressed. And he's thinking he'll be millionaire.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. His head is in the clouds.
Haṁsadūta: I think Bali-mardana became infected by Śyāmasundara. He saw that Śyāmasundara was going to be a millionaire, so then he had to also become a millionaire. So he got Mrs. Toyota.
Prabhupāda: (chuckles) He got a cheat wife. Eh? Mother said she cheated that, "I am twenty-six years."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So many things she cheated.
Prabhupāda: Simply cheated.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But he wanted to be cheated.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Daughter . . . (indistinct) . . . and grand-daughter, all cheaters. Therefore in the United Nation . . . (indistinct)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: She cannot speak Japanese.
Prabhupāda: Everything cheated.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: She even said that she had four stillborn children. And we went to the hospital and there was no record of her having even been admitted into the hospital. Bali-mardana, she told him to wait downstairs while she gave birth to the four children, and then two hours later she came down, she said: "Now it is finished." And he took her and drove away.
Prabhupāda: Mesmerized.
Brahmānanda: And there was talk that you had said that those four stillborn children were incarnations of Viṣṇu.
Prabhupāda: Anyway, she was think that "By cheating this man I am becoming successful." Then she, without any restriction, she began to cheat.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: And because he was Mahārāja, so he became . . . she became Mahārānī.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Queen. But still he's being fooled by her. (pause) Those birds, I think, are the ones from the cage.
Brahmānanda: Pigeons. Doves.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Because they're being fed they'll agree to be . . .
Prabhupāda: . . . put in cage. They'll be free. They can go away or no.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Just like the human beings are like that.
Prabhupāda: Yes.