Dr. Patel: I think Max Mueller . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: No, it was necessary for them to Anglicize the Indians to rule over them.
Dr. Patel: Our differential, or (Hindi) has created all this rot.
Prabhupāda: It is not our; it is human society's.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi) We allowed everyone to be here unawares. If public corporation, trading company, becomes the ruler of this country, I don't understand how it could be.
Prabhupāda: Because we have no . . . that cātur-varṇa system. Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ (BG 4.13). You have given up Kṛṣṇa's instruction, now you have to suffer. You do not train brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra. So anyone who is in power, he is good. That is Kali-yuga. Kali-yuga means anyone gets vote, he's in power. They can misuse the power. That there is no kṣatriya.
Dr. Patel: I think that is a wrong system, sir. This so-called democracy is not ours. Consensus . . . if by consensus . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. Now, either democracy or monarchy, the population is śūdra. So either you make it democracy or any "cracy," śūdra will be on the power. So they can . . .
Dr. Patel: In Kali-yuga, sir, the śūdras will rule according to the . . .
Prabhupāda: Everyone is śūdra. Kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ. Who is going to become brāhmin? We are inviting everyone, "Come here, become brāhmin." Who is interested? He'll go to the factory. Instead of becoming brāhmin he'll be hammer man. (break) In America no students are coming to the philosophical class or higher mathematics class.