Prabhupāda: Yes. It doesn't matter whether a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya or vaiśya, śūdra. If you are conscious that, "I have to satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead according to my capacity of work," then he'll (not) fall down. He'll (not) fall down. (break) . . . fall down from the position, then it is dead society. It is not living society, at the present moment. Yes. If you don't find actual brāhmin, don't find actual kṣatriya, don't find actual vaiśya, so all śūdras, and there is no guide; therefore chaotic condition. (break) . . . ship without rudder? What is called? Yes. So they do not know what is the aim of life. Ask any leader.
The leader, he says: "No, this aim of life is to drink and enjoy. That's all." This is going on. After diplomacy, politics, when they are tired, they go to the hotel or club and enjoy and drink. That's all. This is their aim of life. (break) . . . there are even shops they indulge all these things, topless, bottomless, like that. Because that is the only solace to this materialistic life. There is no other. Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham (SB 7.9.45). That is their . . . They have no other pleasure except that sex life. They have no information that there is another pleasure. That, they . . . they are not educated. So they must come to the sex life only.
Dr. Patel: I think this has become very wild after the Second World War.
Prabhupāda: No, no. It is always there. It is always there. That is material world. Material world means that, sex life. That's all. And if you increase it, then you increase your material life more and more. Therefore the process is tapasā brahmacaryena (SB 6.1.13). The brahmācārya is so much stressed. Tapasā brahmacaryena samena damena vā, tyāgena śaucena yamena niyamena vā. This is the process of human life. Nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke kāṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye (SB 5.5.1). This human body is not meant for working hard like pigs for sense gratification. So they have been taught to become pigs. No discrimination of sex. The pig has no discrimination. So they have been taught. Not . . . When it is in śāstra, that means it is from the very beginning. A class of men are like pigs and hogs there are, always. So therefore Rsabhādeva is forbidding His sons that, "This human form of life is not to waste like the pigs and hogs." Then what? Tapasā. Tapo divyaṁ putrakāḥ . . .
Dr. Patel: Ṛṣabhadeva's hundred sons.
Prabhupāda: Eh? Yes. Tapo divyaṁ putrakāḥ (SB 5.5.1).
Dr. Patel: Eighty-one sons. Eighty-one sons.
Prabhupāda: Jaya. It is . . . human life is meant for tapasya, but where is tapasya? They are simply teaching, "Yes, here is contraceptive method. Take." No . . . wine shop . . .
Dr. Patel: They give it free of charge on the street.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So there is no question of tapasya now. Therefore the whole population is pigs, hogs and dogs. How you can expect peace and prosperity in this society? That is not possible. It is a society of pigs and hogs. Śva-viḍ . . . Śva-viḍ-varāha uṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ. If somebody says: "If the . . . it is a society of pigs and hogs, then what about these leaders?"
Dr. Patel: They are bigger hogs and pigs.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That's all. That is stated: śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ (SB 2.3.19). He's also a big paśuḥ. That's all. Otherwise, how he can dare to say that "Bhajana is nuisance"? Because it is paśuḥ. He's not even human being. Otherwise how he dares say like that? (break) . . . reply that dacoit. If I reply, then I have to call him, "You are a paśuḥ."
Dr. Patel: And he told me . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: . . . Girirāja, that he wants to reply separately. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . why . . .
Dr. Patel: His confidence.
Prabhupāda: No. Their reply is murkhasya latośādhiḥ. (break)
Dr. Patel: . . . mārgam?
Prabhupāda: Mūrkhasya latoṣadhiḥ. It is very . . . (break) . . . from this movement.
Dr. Patel: I have not read that letter.
Prabhupāda: No.
Dr. Patel: Which way it has come? Which way, that letter? (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . barking, what is the use of arguing with him?
Indian man (1): No, I have not read it.
Dr. Patel: No, we have not read. I don't know how it came to your . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . . talking of this letter of commissioner.
Dr. Patel: Oh, commissioner. (break)
Prabhupāda: They, because today's Rāma-navamī they're taking bath?
Dr. Patel: Yes, they are taking bath. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . says that, "Why don't you go to the forest?"
Dr. Patel: But that somebody must have told you.
Prabhupāda: No, no. One of the important men. What is the name of that . . .?
Girirāja: Yogendrabhai.
Prabhupāda: Yogendrabhai. Yes. He's Yogendra. Yogī.
Dr. Patel: Yogendra Patel.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Here is the sample of yogī. Kṛṣṇa says, imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ. Imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ (BG 4.2), and a yogī says that, "Go to the forest." Eh? The rājarṣis are in the forest?
Dr. Patel: This is a mūḍha. (break)
Prabhupāda: (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) . . . garland, this girl. Garland just like beads.
Satsvarūpa: Make a garland out of stone?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Not stone.
Satsvarūpa: Shells.
Prabhupāda: They are conchshells, small conchshells. They are called guñjā, guñjā. They are called gunja? (break)
Indian man (1): . . . ahaṁ yogī nikitana. So what is that? Can you give me some light on that?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Karma-yogī means one who does everything for Kṛṣṇa. He's karma-yogī.
Indian man (1): One who does everything for . . .?
Prabhupāda: For Kṛṣṇa.
Indian man (1): For Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Just like you are doing, doing some work. For whom you are doing?
Indian man (1): For my own benefit.
Prabhupāda: That's all. That is karma. But when you do the same thing for Kṛṣṇa, that is karma-yoga.
Indian man (1): But (indistinct Hindi), if you do it for others, for Kṛṣṇa, for Kṛṣṇa's . . .
Prabhupāda: Others . . . others means . . . that is also a humbug. You cannot do anything for others. You do everything for yourself. That is a false propaganda. You see? That is humbugism. So either you can do for yourself or for Kṛṣṇa. That's all.
Indian man (1): I see.
Dr. Patel: (Gujarati)
Prabhupāda: (break) . . . become a slogan nowadays. Nobody does for others. "For others," "For the poor," these are all humbug.
Indian man (1): You see people are doing so many hospitals, that is for others?
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is also puṇya-karma.
Indian man (1): Mondir korche Construction of temples. Helping these temples, hospitals . . .?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Temple construction is different from hospital construction. That is for Kṛṣṇa.
Indian man (1): But suppose somebody's doing hospitals. Is it not for others?
Prabhupāda: Yes. But how many you can give shelter? A few. There are so many suffering people. You cannot provide hospital for all of them. The hospitals are increasing, and the disease also increasing.
Indian man (1): No, as you say that doing for others is humbug.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Humbug means he cannot do it.
Indian man (1): Ācchā.
Prabhupāda: He cannot do it. He can do to his satisfaction only. That is . . . that is also for his satisfaction.
Indian man (1): I see.
Prabhupāda: Because by opening hospital, you cannot stop disease. That is not possible. Then what you are doing for the others? That is for your satisfaction. Try to understand. Because you cannot do anything, but still, you are wasting your time. That is for your satisfaction.
Indian man (1): Naturally for myself.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. You cannot do anything. The hospitals are increasing, beds are increasing, and the diseases are increasing. Then what can you do?
Indian man (1): We can do our own satisfaction.
Prabhupāda: That's all. (break) . . . done not meant for Kṛṣṇa, that is for his own satisfaction. Just like Arjuna wanted to become nonviolent, "No, no, Kṛṣṇa. I cannot kill my kinsmen." That is a good proposal. But that was his satisfaction.
Indian man (1): That is very correct.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That was his satisfaction. But Kṛṣṇa wanted that, "You must fight." And when he agreed to that, that is his perfection. Before that, he was trying to satisfy he.
Indian man (1): Yes. When he surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, that was his . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the only purpose of life. Anything that is done, that is useless waste of time. Therefore Kṛṣṇa particularly said, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vra . . . (BG 18.66). That ekam. You try to satisfy Kṛṣṇa only. That will give you perfection. Otherwise your own satisfaction, that's all.