Prabhupāda: That's all right. The exchange... The more demand, more price. So suppose here is a spectacle. I am demanding ten rupees. So both of you are customer, and you are asking for this spectacle. Then I am increasing my price. So if you can pay me by printing paper, you'll accept any price. That means artificially price is increased. Is it not?
Rāmeśvara: Yes.
Hari-śauri: So the idea is that with coins the man who has the goods, he can't...
Prabhupāda: Therefore... Suppose he has got ten coins; you have got ten coins. I am wanting fifteen coins. So there will be no competition. I have to accept either from you or you, ten coins.
Hari-śauri: Right. Because there's only that much money.
Prabhupāda: But if I increase price and if you print... If you have got power to print, "All right. Take fifteen coins, er, fifteen rupees." But you print and pay me. But if the gold, the coin, is there, you cannot increase on that.
Hari-śauri: He can't increase the price of the product, and the man who got..., 'cause there's only a certain amount of money there.
Prabhupāda: But I can increase the price provided you pay me. But by printing, it is easier. But if you have to collect coins, that will be difficult, so there will be no artificial increase of...
Hari-śauri: Yes. Coins is a check...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: ...on charging too much.
Prabhupāda: That is wanted. And these rascals, they are artificially printing paper as money. And I am a rascal; I'm demanding more because I have got customer.
Rāmeśvara: The difference between Vedic culture and..., the Kṛṣṇa conscious culture and the modern culture is very, very dramatic, very big difference. So the transforming of society...
Prabhupāda: And besides that, if we concentrate in farm project there will be no need of exchange, because I'll be satisfied with my products. That's all. There is no need of exchange. Whatever I need, I get in my farm.
Rāmeśvara: Weaving, cloth.
Prabhupāda: Everything I get. So I haven't got to go outside for exchange. If you are satisfied in your farm—I am satisfied—then where is question of exchange? There is no need of artificial... So this banking, "fanking," everything will collapse automatically. There is no money, who is going to keep money in the bank?
Hari-śauri: Who needs it?
Prabhupāda: (laughs) So this artificial way of banking, that will be also collapsed.
Hari-śauri: This is revolutionary.
Rāmeśvara: It's very hard for the mind to...
Prabhupāda: No, simply do this.
Rāmeśvara: Such a dramatic transformation of society.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Whatever it may be... We should be satisfied locally by our food, by our cloth, by our milk. That's all. Let the whole world go to hell. We don't care. If you want to save yourself also, you do this. Here is an example. If you want artificial life, city life, and hellish life, you do. But we shall live like this. This is the ideal life.
Hari-śauri: But still, we're going out to attract people to come to our life-style.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Hari-śauri: We're still going out to attract people to come and live like us.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: Well, even more than that, we know that we have the secret to real life, so it's our duty to actually... Just like you say...
Prabhupāda: That is preaching. That is preaching.
Rāmeśvara: ...the surgeon, he must cut.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: The doctor must...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: ...save the patient. It's his duty.
Prabhupāda: No artificial dealing. Purge out.
Hari-śauri: When one actually has the power, he can do that.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: So by our preaching now, we have to try and establish a Kṛṣṇa consciousness government first through the democratic system.
Rāmeśvara: You said, "Think in terms of the whole world, not just one nation. That is our preaching." So you are training us to think very big, global.
Prabhupāda: We keep the ideal style of life. You learn and do it. I am not encroaching upon your independence, but if you want to be happy, you follow. This is our process. Āpani ācārī prabhu jīveri śikṣāya. You be happy, very ideally, and people will learn. But this can be possible only on the basis of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you make minus Kṛṣṇa consciousness this thing, it will never be possible. Then it will not be possible. All these scheme will be successful if there is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Hari-śauri: Only if the chanting and prasādam is there.
Prabhupāda: Prasādam, Deity worship, devotional life... Then it will be all right.
Hari-śauri: Yes. Gandhi could never implement his program.
Prabhupāda: Nobody can do. They simply... Even... What is that? Marx? He could not. There is no real attraction. Artificial, by force. Here the real attraction is Kṛṣṇa. So other thing he doesn't mind: "Let there be little inconvenience. I don't mind."
Hari-śauri: A devotee is actually getting a higher taste. He's getting some real enjoyment, so he doesn't care for the other things.
Prabhupāda: So unless there is enjoyment he cannot stick. But that enjoyment is Kṛṣṇa.
Hari-śauri: Just that chanting is enough. It's just so much nectar.
Prabhupāda: No, everything—Deity worship, chanting, kīrtana, preaching, publishing, distributing—everything.
Rāmeśvara: This requires superintelligence. Just like, say, in Los Angeles there are two hundred devotees. It is taxing our brains how to give proper engagement to every one of them.
Prabhupāda: Well, this engagement is: "Go and sell books." That engagement is already there.
Rāmeśvara: Yes, but some are not qualified, some householders...
Prabhupāda: It is not the question of quality, of... It doesn't matter whether he sells one book or hundred books. It doesn't matter. Let him be engaged, that's all.
Rāmeśvara: That's what I'm saying. To find the proper engagement, the best utilization of every man's...
Prabhupāda: This is very good engagement, very good engagement. Go door to door. I don't mind if you no sell. But you have gone. That's all. I don't mind. It is not business, that "Because you could not sell anything, your salary will be dismissed." No. There is no such question.
Rāmeśvara: But then they feel dissatisfied. Then they would prefer to do something else where they can perform better. They can accomplish something more.
Prabhupāda: No, no. No, no, no.
Hari-śauri: Our devotees tend to work on a fruitive basis.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Hari-śauri: If they don't get some result from their activity, they become discouraged.
Rāmeśvara: In other words, sometimes...
Prabhupāda: Now, who said that "You don't bring money"? But I am not discouraging you, even if you don't bring money.
Gargamuni: When we took sannyāsa, you told us to go door to door.
Prabhupāda: That's all!
Gargamuni: We brought some fruits and some change, and Prabhupāda was very satisfied.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gargamuni: We went door to door for two hours.
Rāmeśvara: No, I mean it is practical that if a man comes with artistic talents, then I will try to engage him as an artist. Different talents...
Prabhupāda: No, engage him. There must be engagement. Either as a artist or bookseller, there must be engagement.
Rāmeśvara: According to different talents.
Prabhupāda: Nobody should be allowed to keep himself lazy. That is not good. Niyataṁ kuru karma tvam. That is... Find out this verse. Oh, he has taken away?
Hari-śauri: Bhagavad-gītā. Oh, I can get another Gītā.
Gargamuni: And they will be successful.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Why not?
Gargamuni: If they are sincere, they will be successful.
Rāmeśvara: So it is little taxing...
Prabhupāda: Not taxing. I was doing alone this. I was printing Back to Godhead and going to the press. I was writing. I was posting.