Prabhupāda: Bible may be wrong, but we are talking generally. So if you are scientist, you can say the right thing. But why should you deny God?
Brahmānanda: Well, if the book of God has made mistake, then we don't have any faith . . .
Prabhupāda: Book of God . . . then throw it. Kick it out. But I say that you are scientist. How you can deny God? That is our proposal. The so-called book of God, you throw away. But you are scientist. How can you deny the existence of God? Why you are misleading? Bible misleading, that's all right. Why you are misleading? That is our point.
Cyavana: For so many centuries they took the Bible to be the authority.
Prabhupāda: All right, throw it away. You are scientist . . .
Cyavana: They won't.
Prabhupāda: You are a scientist. How you can deny God? Then what kind of scientist you are? The Bible has done wrong. Throw it away. I have no objection. But you are scientist. How you can deny God? And that is our point. Come to this logic that, "How we can deny God?" You are speaking that from chemical combination life is formed. Do it in the laboratory. You cannot do it. Why you are propagating false propaganda? What kind of scientist? Then you are also to be kicked out. If Bible is to be kicked out, you are also to be kicked out. Why you are claiming your position? You prove first of all. You combine chemical and produce a life. And you are making false propaganda, so you are to be kicked out. They say, "We shall do in future." And what is the future? Then why you are at present making false propaganda? Wait for the future. Post-dated check: "In future I shall pay," who will accept this check? Any nonsense will accept.
Brahmānanda: But this world is so imperfect . . .
Prabhupāda: The world is not imperfect; you are imperfect, rascal. You are rascal; you are imperfect. World is not imperfect.
Brahmānanda: Well, they have these cyclones. They come and . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Must come, because you are to be killed. You are rascal; you are to be killed. Therefore God has created cyclone. You protect yourself if you are scientist, if you have got power.
Cyavana: Because they are anxious for some . . .
Prabhupāda: Because God has created cyclone, therefore He is perfect because you are to be killed, blown away with your all paraphernalia, with your all scientific laboratory and instrument. Go. Go to hell. That is perfection.
Cyavana: They are eager to find a solution. Therefore they are forced to speculate because they have no other way . . .
Prabhupāda: No other way.
Cyavana: They have no other way to learn, unless they will accept Veda, which they won't accept.
(break) . . . sense gratification. They enjoy making so many theories.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Mano-ratha: "chariot of mind."
Cyavana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Mano-rathenāsati dhāvato bahiḥ (SB 5.18.12). By his chariot of the mind he will be driven to this material consciousness. (break) . . . spiritual knowledge. Therefore we see big, big scientists, they are thinking that combination of matter can produce life. In spite of so much advanced learning, they do not know what is life. They cannot create life; still, they will theorize. How foolish they are. And as soon as you catch his throat, "Produce life," "No, we shall do it in future." Just see.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes people ask that, "If God is so great, then why doesn't He just come and destroy all the evil?"
Prabhupāda: Because you have to suffer. You are rascal. You must suffer. Therefore evil must be there.
Brahmānanda: Why doesn't He force us to be good?
Prabhupāda: Just like if the criminals and thieves say, "Why government has created this prison house?" Is it very good argument? It is for you, rascal. You are criminal. You must suffer. Why it is to be abolished? Otherwise who will suffer? It is for your suffering.
Brahmānanda: Why are we evil? Why doesn't God make us good?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Brahmānanda: Why are we evil?
Prabhupāda: No, God says that, "You become devotee of Me." You do not become. That is your fault. Therefore you must . . . just like government does not say that you become criminal. Government says, "You become educated. You become high-court judge, become big officer." Why you become criminal, pickpocket? Does government give any education for becoming pickpocket? Hmm? Is there any institution how to steal, how to become pickpocket? (laughter) Then why do you become? Just see. (break) . . . eatables you can collect, and I shall show you how to cook in the cooker. One boy. You also see, because nobody will go there.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Harikeśa is getting his visa today. We hope.