Rūpānuga: It is said that the soul glows with a light brighter than a thousand suns. In the Vedas? It is stated that the soul glows with a light brighter than a thousand suns. Yes?
Prabhupāda: I do not remember. Maybe. (break) The soul is more valuable than the sun, because the sun is, after all, a matter, and the soul is spirit. Therefore the vast difference of value. You cannot revive the life of a dead body by thousands of suns' heat. It is not possible. It can burn, but it cannot give light.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Just like if we compare the velocity of light and the velocity of soul, it is . . .
Prabhupāda: Far, far greater.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, far different. It can be immediately on the . . .
Prabhupāda: Just like Kṛṣṇa says, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti (BG 4.9): "Immediately comes to Me." So just see the velocity. Tyaktvā deham. Just soon as he gives up this body, immediately goes to Kṛṣṇa. So see the . . . how . . . where is Kṛṣṇa? You cannot estimate even this material world. And then you enter the spiritual world. And then you go to the highest planet of the spiritual world, Goloka Vṛndāvana. So you cannot calculate how far it is, neither by driving your aeroplane of mind and vāyu you can reach there. But the soul is so powerful that immediately goes there. Just like mind. You are here, many thousand miles away, 25,000 miles away in somewhere, immediately goes, mind goes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Just at will. At will.
Prabhupāda: At will. So the soul is still finer. Intelligence is finer than the mind. And soul is finer than the intelligence. So just imagine what is the velocity. Soul is so powerful. By yogī, simply giving up this material body, they can capture the sun rays and immediately go to the sun planet. Beams of the sun. This is science. Where is that science?
Prajāpati: Śrīla Prabhupāda, are thoughts made of matter or spirit?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Prajāpati: Thoughts—are they made of matter or spirit?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Thoughts actually made by spirit, but it is covered by matter. Therefore in the material condition you can think only of matter. Just like this body is covered by so many material things, but actually, the spirit is covered. So the soul being spirit, so long it is covered by matter, it cannot act spiritually. It is obstructed. Not obstructed; covered. It cannot be obstructed. If you like, you can get out of the covering of the matter. So matter cannot obstruct. But it is the will of the soul. Therefore it is called taṭasthā, marginal.