Mike Barron: What do you call that force?
Prabhupāda: That is the soul, or consciousness. The same thing, the pilot. The pilot may be a small man, and the airship may be very gigantic. You can make still more. But the pilot is the same. So the body may be elephant or a small ant, but the pilot is the same. That is real understanding.
Mike Barron: Just getting off that, can I ask why you've come to Australia again?
Prabhupāda: I have already explained that, that this is my mission, to educate people to understand himself. They are under this misconception that "Every one of us, we are this body." That is misconception. You must know who is within the body. That is real education.
Mike Barron: And how long.... You'll continue this until...
Prabhupāda: Well...
Mike Barron: ...until you die.
Prabhupāda: The knowledge is already there in the Vedic literature, but there was no discussion, at least in the Western countries. So I am trying to.... We have got so many books, eighty-four books, writing on this science. (aside:) Show him our books. They are being accepted by high learned circle. (break) ...written not jokingly. It is a great science.
Mike Barron: Where do you.... You might think this unusual. Where does it come from, though?
Prabhupāda: The Vedas, Vedic literature.
Mike Barron: What goes into this?
Prabhupāda: Vedas. Vedic literature, Sāma, Yajur, Ṛk, Atharva, Upaniṣad, then Bhāgavata, Bhagavad-gītā, so many. There is no cultivation of this knowledge.
Devotee (3): If we could.... If we put the stool up here, and then you can sit on facing that way, Mike?
Mike Barron: Hmm.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: I'll do it.
Prabhupāda: How people are advanced? They should take very seriously.
Devotee (3): So he can sit and face that way.
Guru-kṛpā: Maybe you can take one picture of our books when you go.
Mike Barron: Yes, well, due to problems that do occur from time to time, we.... You know, what people consider to be the false guru, is that all right with you?
Prabhupāda: Yes, any.... Guru means the teacher. So if the teacher does not give you real knowledge, then he is not teacher. He is cheater.
Mike Barron: And there are some around.
Prabhupāda: Almost everyone, because they do not know what is the subject matter of teaching. The subject matter of teaching is beginning with this understanding, that life is different from matter. That is the beginning, ABCD. So if your basic knowledge is wrong, then what is the use of going further? It is all false knowledge.