Svarūpa Dāmodara: The scientists think that knowledge is given on by Kṛṣṇa, and whatever we do is for Kṛṣṇa. So they’re all trying to make something that they think that they are doing, they think that they are doing it for Kṛṣṇa, and . . .
Prabhupāda: No, they must see that by doing that, that Kṛṣṇa is pleased. That is it . . . that should be. Yes, we are doing everything for Kṛṣṇa, but whether by that thing Kṛṣṇa is pleased, that is to be seen. That is bhakti. Otherwise, you cannot do without Kṛṣṇa. That's a fact.
The ingredients are Kṛṣṇa. The intelligence is given by Kṛṣṇa. Your hand is given by Kṛṣṇa. Your leg is given by Kṛṣṇa. So you cannot do anything without Kṛṣṇa. But the credit is by doing something, when you satisfy Kṛṣṇa, then you will be successful. You cannot go within the boundary of Kṛṣṇa. That is not possible. Just like the same thing: the children are playing mock purīs. So that is within this jurisdiction of the parents. They’re not independent.
They want to play, "Mother, give me this little dough, I shall . . ." "All right, take it." "Give me little ghee," "All right." "Give me little lamp," "All right." "Give me little lamp," "That's it." So it is not without the jurisdiction of the parents. But if by making the purī the mother and father or the guardian is satisfied, then it is perfect. Otherwise it is childish.
Śyāmasundara: They please the parents.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Otherwise it is childish. That's all. No value.
Śyāmasundara: But why is there pleasure in creating something, in making?
Prabhupāda: Pleasure in him, not to others. This creation will not please anyone else except that rascal.
Śyāmasundara: Yes, but what is that in the act of creating something, say, even I’m a rascal, if I create something nice like this, how do I . . . why do I get pleasure from doing that? What is that pleasure?
Prabhupāda: Pleasure?
Śyāmasundara: By making something, creating something . . .
Prabhupāda: Because you are active. You are living being, you are active. So by activity means you are living. That is pleasure.
Śyāmasundara: If I create something like a poem or a picture, why do I get pleasure from that act, that activity?
Prabhupāda: Because you have got senses. So your senses are satisfied that you have created something. By that sense satisfaction you are thinking you are satisfied.