Hari-śauri: They have to go to so much trouble as well just to achieve that little flickering...
Prabhupāda: Very, very great trouble. You have not seen the yogis? Of course, there are some.... But still, they have to undergo very severe processes for achieving this yogic power. And a devotee, they kick it, that "What is this nonsense?" That is devotee. "What is this nonsense? What shall I do by producing gold?" And I never tried for making gold, but is there any scarcity of gold? I never tried for that, how to make gold. That Sai Baba is showing some magic power. What of the Maharsi? Maha.... He was also after some yogic power.
Harikeśa: I don't know.
Prabhupāda: You were with him. You do not know? "The transcendental meditation—you will get this, you will get that." He is advertising in that...
Hari-śauri: All material opulence.
Harikeśa: Ultimately you will become God.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is the attempt.
Hari-śauri: And in the meantime, you can enjoy material world.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Harikeśa: They never said anything more than you'll just get good sex life and good health.
Prabhupāda: That is.... Becoming God means the same, money and sex. That's all.
Harikeśa: Wouldn't it be handy, though, to be able to fly around without having to use airplanes?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Harikeśa: I mean, if you had some mystic opulence like being able to fly.
Prabhupāda: Yes, the yogis can do that.
Harikeśa: Wouldn't that be handy? Couldn't a devotee utilize that?
Prabhupāda: What is the use?
Harikeśa: Well, instead of taking airplanes here and there, you could just...
Prabhupāda: No, no. What is the difference? If by practicing severe yogic means you fly, the birds are also flying. They are flying without airplane. Does it mean that it has become very great? There are many birds, garuḍa bird. They can fly from one planet to another. Just like small birds—they fly from one tree to another, take rest again—so they fly from this planet to another. Take rest, again another. What is the value of your airplane? You cannot go to another planet. There are birds; they catch up elephants and take it away for eating. Does it mean he has become, it has become God? There are Siddhaloka planets where the people can go without any airplane from one planet to another, Siddhaloka. They have got all yogic siddhi automatically, by birth. Just like we cannot fly, but a small bird, a small fly, from the birth it can fly. There are so many. So similarly, by birth they have got all yogic siddhis. This is called Siddhaloka. There are different varieties of planets, different varieties of perfection. Just like here also, I cannot dive into the water. A small fish can dive. I cannot fly in the sky but a small sparrow, it can go from here, here, immediately. Does it mean he is very advanced in yogic power because he can fly? You are proposing that. Nothing is any big achievement. The big achievement is how to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is wanted. Not these things. These things.... You cannot do; I can do. I cannot do; he can do. What is the greatness?