Prabhupāda: Yes. You are going to have that, next life. (laughter) Yes. Because you are desiring, you will get this life. Kṛṣṇa will fulfill your desire. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante māyā . . . (BG 4.11). Yantrārūḍhāni māyayā. Kṛṣṇa is within you. You are thinking that, "I will be very much happy if I enjoy sex like the dog." Kṛṣṇa notes, and next life, "My dear friend here is the body. You enter and enjoy." Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe . . . (BG 18.61). He is noting down your desire. Hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati. Māyayā . . . brāhmayan sarva-bhūtāni yantrārūḍhāni māyayā. This is clearly explained. "All right, you want the enjoyment like dog, here is." Remembrance is also there. Mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca (BG 15.15). "You wanted to enjoy sex like a dog. Now I have given you this body, now you enjoy." Everything is there, arranged.
Harikeśa: Yes, but dogs, they have to lead a pretty miserable life.
Prabhupāda: But you have also, you have got . . . not living very happy life, this human society. There are others, even Indira Gandhi, she's always disturbed. Who is happy here? I saw personally, oh, she is so disturbed. Everyone is unhappy. Who is happy here?
Harikeśa: I mean, you say that to anybody in America, they'll go, "I'm happy."
Prabhupāda: Everyone is unhappy. America or India, bird or beast, everyone is unhappy. Āhāra-nidrā-bhaya. Bhaya means fearfulness. That is unhappiness. Everyone is afraid what will happen next. This is unhappiness. So either you be Indira Gandhi or a street dog, that is nature's law. Nobody is happy. That they cannot understand, that there is no happiness, and he's trying to make development for happiness. Actually there is no happiness. This is struggle for existence. Manaḥ-ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi prakṛti-sthāni karṣati (BG 15.7). With the mind and the senses he's trying for happiness, but there is no happiness. That is called illusion. That is called illusion. There is no happiness, and he's trying to get happiness. Happiness is beyond the senses, material senses. Sukham atyantikaṁ yat tad atīndriyam grāhyam (BG 6.21). If you want real happiness that is transcendental happiness, not this sense happiness.
Harikeśa: But there is happiness of the senses. When you have sex life . . .
Prabhupāda: When . . . happiness there is, not for the rascals, but for the intelligent. Happiness there is. Unless there is happiness, how we are seeking for happiness? Unless there is immortality, how we are seeking for immortality? There is. But the way in which you are seeking for these things, that is wrong. That is the whole education. Māyā muni sthitaḥ. Just like a foolish animal, he is seeking water from the desert because it appears there is water. But that is his foolishness. A human being, he knows that there is no water; it is all sand. That is the difference between animal and human being. Just like the dog sees another, what is called, image of dog in the water, and he thinks another dog carrying a bread and he wants to take it away, so his bread goes away.
Harikeśa: That's a perfect example.
Prabhupāda: He loses his own bread, and there is no other bread. That's all . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . The lion, he thought there is another lion within the well and jumped over it, lost his life, that's all. This is going on. So, he's so strong, lion, it is fabulously strong, but he's animal. In spite of so much strength, he's an animal. Similarly, this modern civilization, in spite of so much so-called advancement, they are simply animals. That's all. A big animal is eulogized by another small animal, that's all. Animal is animal, big animal or small. (pointing out dog on the road) Just see, he hasn't got master, and what is his condition?
Harikeśa: Pretty bad.
Prabhupāda: This is śūdra. If anyone depends on the master's mercy, he's a śūdra. Here in Delhi, New Delhi, these big, big buildings, big, big officers, as soon as the government will fail, they will be street dogs, that's all. Now they are plundering, by official instrument. Now when the government will be finished, they will be street dog. That's all. This is their civilization. Immediately, if all of a sudden there is attack in New Delhi, all the people will starve. There is no food at home, and they'll die.
Harikeśa: That's a really important point, that the government takes more and more, and everybody gets poorer and poorer.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The government is also poor because they do not know how to govern. Buddhi yasya balaṁ tasya. If one has got intelligence he has got strength.
Harikeśa: Change of government means getting poorer.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Harikeśa: A change of government . . .
Prabhupāda: Change of government . . . just like they say, a change of theories by the rascals. That's all. Change means rascal.