Indian man (3): Swamiji, may I ask, just to... As my friend has just said about the teaching of... In the battlefield, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, about the verse about... Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata (BG 4.7). It is an oft repeated phrase or śloka which has gone deep into the subconscious mind of the Ind..., especially the Hindu people have taken it, probably because of all of the wrong interpretations. That why should we go and tire ourself or make effort? If we are in trouble, oh, just wait for the God to come down to the earth and He will help us and do what we need or defend us?
Prabhupāda: That is your instruction. That is not God's instruction.
Indian man (3): But it has been.
Prabhupāda: No.
Indian man (3): According to my...
Prabhupāda: The God says that "Here is injustice, so you should fight." God says that. God never says that "I am God, Kṛṣṇa. I am your friend. You sit down idly and I shall do everything." He never said that. He said that "You must fight." That is our duty, not that God has given us hands and legs and you sit down idly and let God do it. This is not devotion.
Indian man (3): Then you agree with me that this oft-repeated śloka has created a state of fatalism among the Hindu community?
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Indian man (3): That yadā yadā hi...
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Fatalism. This verse created fatalism, fatalism, a sense of hopelessness.
Prabhupāda: Hopelessness?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Pessimism. Fatalism.
Brahmānanda: It has been interpreted that this verse means that God will come and therefore we don't have to do anything.
Prabhupāda: God is always present. You carry out the order of God. God is always present. You carry out the order of the God.
Indian man (3): The verse is clear, yadā yadā hi dharmasya (BG 4.7).
Prabhupāda: Yes. So that is being done every moment. Every moment we are forgetting our dharma and God is giving us instruction.
Indian man (3): This state of fatalism which is prevalent in India...
Prabhupāda: It is not spoken to India. It is spoken to everyone. "India," why do you bring India? God is not made for India.
Indian man (3): But I have nothing in India, but I know India, so...
Prabhupāda: Then why you say India.
Indian man (3): I have seen India. I know India.
Prabhupāda: No, why you bring India at all? God is not meant for India.
Indian man (3): But Hinduism...
Prabhupāda: No, God is not meant for Hindu.
Indian man (3): No, I am not talking about... I was talking about... (laughter) ...that this śloka, I mean, probably...
Prabhupāda: That God said, yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir... (BG 4.7). He doesn't say, yadā yadā hindu dharmasya glānir. (laughter) So why do you speak nonsense? He never says. Why do you speak like that?
Indian man (3): It has written. I mean it was read like that.
Prabhupāda: No, no. That is your creation. That is your creation, mental speculation. He never said yadā yadā hi hindu dharmasya glānir bhavati. He never said. Why do you speak all these things?
Indian man (3): Anyway, it has created a state of fatalism.
Indian man (2): Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati (BG 4.7).
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (2): "When there is unrighteousness, I come in this world to reinstate dharma."
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the...
Indian man (2): And He has not come now. There is no unrighteousness in this world?
Prabhupāda: He has come, but you have no eyes to see. You require the eyes to see.