Hari-śauri: Everywhere we see millions and millions of different types of bodies are all growing, there's living force there, but still, they haven't been able to find it, and it's there all the . . ., everywhere, surrounding them. So what kind of scientists? (break)
Prabhupāda: . . .provement. Have you improved this, that a dead body can be brought into life by scientific arrangement? And still, they'll say "improvement." What improvement? Simply dry talks. That is science? (break) (in car) First subject matter for scientific advancement: that there is soul within the body. On account of the presence of the soul, the body is changing. So the soul is different from the body. This is the first education of scientist. But they have avoided this major . . . They simply bluffing people, "We have discovered this . . ." What you have discovered? Discover this: what is the principle within the body? Real discovery, they are not interested. They are bluffing. They are fools, making others fools and going on as scientific advancement. First of all answer this.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: (aside:) Rādhā-vallabha Prabhu . . . (indistinct) . . ..
Prabhupāda: Can you challenge, "Do this first. What is your science? This is rascal science. You give up the major problem; you are making research how many atoms are working. What you will do by understanding atoms are going?"
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Because it's very difficult to . . .
Prabhupāda: Difficult? Then you are not scientist. You cannot touch the difficult problem. Childish thing, you are bluffing children, that's all. You have no power to tackle the difficulties. You cannot give life to the dead body. (break)
Hari-śauri: But if we don't make the research, then how will we ever know?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Hari-śauri: If we don't make the research, then how will we ever solve these problems?
Prabhupāda: Then you are . . . As soon as you say "making research," then you are not perfect. Don't say that you are scientist. You are student. Don't say that you are scientist. And you are declaring, "There is no authority, nothing." Why do you speak all this nonsense? Because you are not scientist. You are making research. That's all right. When you complete your research—you come to the conclusion—then call yourself as scientist.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Put them in their place.
Prabhupāda: Why, as a student, neophyte, you are claiming as "scientist"? Why misleading people? You do not know anything, how things are going on, and you are claiming you are scientist. Our point is, "Don't do this, misleading propaganda. You are not scientist. We protest against this false propaganda. Why you are making . . . You do not know anything. You cannot solve any problem, major problem, so why you are claiming as scientist? Stop this, as a gentleman." (break) And there is the soul within the body, and when the soul is gone, transferred to another body, it is dead. Dhīras tatra na muhyati (BG 2.13). One who is actually scientist, he is not surprised. He knows the soul has transferred to another body. That's all. That is scientist. (break) . . .real scientist, not a rascal like you. We don't take. (break) You cannot act. We accept Kṛṣṇa as scientist because He explains. You cannot explain. How we can accept you as scientist? You are rascal. Up till now, nobody was able to explain—simply vague. How we can accept these vague explanation as scientist? And daily changing, every year new theories. And I have to accept you scientist? Kṛṣṇa said tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13) five thousand years ago. It was known very well, and it is going on. That is science. You cannot give any solution, you are changing your ideas and theories every year, and we have to accept you as scientist? (break) . . .speaking something, and I have to accept him as scientist? Madman, crazy fellow, saying something today, saying something other, next day.
Hari-śauri: In Māyāpur you gave that Bengali proverb, "A madman, what he cannot say? A goat, what he cannot eat?"
Prabhupāda: Yes. (chuckles) (break) They are afraid. Stop disease, stop old age, stop birth, stop death. (break) . . .the major problems, and you call yourself . . . (break)
Śukadeva: . . .the most important thing. Why should we . . .
Prabhupāda: Ah. That proves that you are a rascal number one. These are not important things. Why do you keep memory of so many dead men in statues? It is not important thing. He has died. Died. That's all.
Śukadeva: They say that being able to work on all of our practical problems in the material world . . .
Prabhupāda: And this is practical. You make something that nobody will die.
Śukadeva: But a lot of them already admit that there's nothing we can do about death.
Prabhupāda: Then don't call yourself scientist. The problems are there. You cannot solve them. (break) . . .intelligent way of defeating so-called scientists. (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: You are asking us to make solution . . .
Prabhupāda: That is my problem. If anyone can solve this problem, I will call him scientist. That is everyone's problem. The art(?) is, they are trying to remain young, especially the ladies. And still, the scientist cannot stop this, that "No more becoming old, old." Then where is your improvement? You have invented some cosmetic. You apply it, and your, what is called, hollow cheek will be swollen up.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, in London recently, just like they have plastic grass, they have plastic trees, they have a plastic woman.
Prabhupāda: That is all right, but the plastic woman will not satisfy me.
Rādhā-vallabha: They have operations.
Prabhupāda: Simply rascals, that's all. Better not to talk with, that "You are rascal number one. I don't want to waste my time. When you make solution of these problems, then we shall talk. Now go on researching and befool your followers that in future you'll get it." That's all. (break)
Rādhā-vallabha: . . .cut incisions on their face and take out fat and tighten the skin and then sew it up again. And they say this makes them beautiful.
Prabhupāda: That is so long he is living. Can you do it in the dead body? Then where is the solution? (break) . . .condition you can do that. That is not in your hand. Living condition is not in your hand. You'll depend on some superior arrangement. Why do you take credit? You do this in a dead body, then . . .
Rādhā-vallabha: When they bury the dead bodies they put make-up on the face and make a nice smile, so people can see the dead body is happy.
Prabhupāda: Let the scientists be happy by seeing dead people.