Prabhupāda: . . . the authorities they . . .?
Śukadeva: What do they say?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śukadeva: It says that . . . (break) . . . possibility of an object staying in motion unless there is a person to move it. So therefore the conclusion is that these planets cannot stay in motion unless there is a supreme mover.
Prabhupāda: So he accepts God. (break)
Śukadeva: . . . the fact that there's no need to worship God, the fact that there's a need to worship man, because man is actually the center of the universe instead of God as the center of the universe.
Prabhupāda: Why do you fight? Why do you fight? Instead of worshiping, why do you fight?
Śukadeva: Simply that is human nature.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Worship God by fighting?
Hari-śauri: Then it becomes a question of who's the best man.
Prabhupāda: God. But you don't fight with Him. But these rascals say worship man, but why does he fight with man? Another . . . (break)
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Actually there was a boy sitting like that, and a shark came and bit off his leg while he was sitting there. (break)
Śukadeva: . . . they still think that . . .
Prabhupāda: Worship.
Śukadeva: They still think that man can decide his own future. He can decide how the universe was made. That's the basic philosophy now, that man is actually the center of the universe. He can decide and make anything that he wants. Initially there's no sense in worshiping God.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: There's another philosophy, though, called ecology, which is even more popular.
Prabhupāda: Cology?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Ecology. They say that man is part of the universe, and that we should take care of the environment because ultimately man will kill himself if he doesn't handle the environment properly.
Devotee: Air and water, things like this
Prabhupāda: What is the meaning?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: The meaning is that people have exploited the atmosphere and the earth so badly in the last two hundred years especially, that, practically speaking, man is on the verge of self-destruction.