Guest (3): When you apply jñāna and . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is vijñāna. That is vijñāna. So jñāna knowledge, first knowledge, is what is God; what is God and what is my relation with Him. This is knowledge. Then you . . . when you act according to that knowledge, that is vijñāna. That is bhakti. When you understand fully well that "God is great, and I am a small, minute part and parcels of God," and then you understand that the part and parcel's duty is to serve the whole . . . is it not? Just like the finger is part and parcel of my body. Its duty is to serve the whole body. Similarly, if we accept, if we understand that, "I am part and parcel of God," then my duty is to serve God.
But people are being misled that he is thinking God himself, although he is under so many restrictions and stricture of the material nature. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāṇi guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ, ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā (BG 3.27). He is so foolish and rascal that he is thinking, "I am independent." Ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā karta aham iti manyate. He is strictly under the stringent laws of material nature, but still, he is thinking falsely that "I am supreme. I am independent." So therefore surrender required, that "I am not supreme."
That is knowledge. That is knowledge in the Bhagavad-gītā. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate (BG 7.19): "After many, many births of this speculation, when actually he becomes jñānavān, wise, then he surrenders." Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ. So unless we surrender, so long we think that "I am independent. I am God. I am Supreme," these are all illusions. What do you think?
Guest (2): Yes.
Prabhupāda: It is illusion, simply illusion. If I am God, how I have become so much dependent on the laws of material nature? Why I have accepted this body, which I do not want? What kind of God I am? So the whole world is full of these ideas. So this movement is a revolutionary movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Guest (5): (Hindi: Maharaja) What is the meaning of God.
Prabhupāda: He does not . . . he does not know what is meaning of God. He thinks that God is something plaything. Therefore he claimed that "I am God." He does not know what is God. Therefore God personally showing, He's coming, Kṛṣṇa: "What is God, see." God is from very beginning God. Kṛṣṇa, from the birth He is God. He hasn't got to meditate. He hasn't got to go to the forest and . . . to become God. He is God.
Guest (5): God is made for . . . (indistinct) . . . sir.
Prabhupāda: Not "God is made." God is never made. God is God.