Prabhupāda: So let them know what are the sinful activities. These are the sinful activities. Close all the slaughterhouses. Close all these illicit sex brothel houses, and close the liquor houses.
Prajāpati: The gambling also?
Prabhupāda: Certainly. Then their business will be finished. Then they will say: "Where we stand? It is all finished." Now you stand on a different platform.
Prajāpati: Yesterday, Śrīla Prabhupāda, in class you mentioned how the churches, people could pay them for supposedly becoming very religious men. In Las Vegas, the capital of the gambling and the illicit sex and the intoxication, where all these things are very prominent, the churches there are very prominent also. These big demons, they pay large money to the churches, and therefore they feel like they are very religious men even though they are committing all these sinful activities.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And by taking their sinful money, because they do not engage to Kṛṣṇa, they also become sinful. Affected. Infection. (break) They have mentioned something like sinful?
Prajāpati: Yes, sinful.
Prabhupāda: What he has said, Karandhara?
Karandhara: He doesn't say specifically. He just said that generally the country is degraded and people have become apathetic, and the morals have reduced. He was referring to things like Watergate, political scandals, and the youth degradation.
Prabhupāda: But why they have degraded? That is to be understood. Not known to them.
Karandhara: Yes. Actually they don't have the scientific analysis. They just have some vague understanding that things are falling apart.
Prabhupāda: Here are the causes: sinful life. (break)
Prajāpati: . . . the affair, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Oh, then the country could be . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, I am already in charge, but who is following me? (laughter) (laughs) That is the difficulty. (break) . . . one who is to be followed, that is called ācārya. So who is following the ācārya? Nobody is following. Ācārya is there, but nobody is following ācārya. Ācaraṇa. Ācaraṇa means behavior. Ācārya that, "This man is ideal. One should follow him." That is called ācārya. (break) . . . to allow us one day to have chanting and speaking something about God consciousness.
Prajāpati: Very nice.