Bali Mardana: The demons at Kṛṣṇa's time could not even accept Him as God, what to speak of the demons now.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Karandhara: Therefore they say, What is the platform of objectivity in determining what's God?"
Prabhupāda: This is definition. God has show in himself, exhibited Himself. He married sixteen thousand wives. Where is that person who can marry sixteen thousand wife and expand himself in sixteen thousand bodies? Where is that person?
Karandhara: They say no such person exists.
Prabhupāda: Therefore He is there. He is God, the superexcellent.
Karandhara: But they say He never did that. That's impossible.
Prabhupāda: He did it. There is a mention in the history.
Karandhara: George Washington didn't do anything which was out out out of the conception of belief.
Prabhupāda: No, out of conception, he had no power to do it. He had no power to do it.
Hṛdayānanda: Who's conception?
Karandhara: Their conception.
Prabhupāda: No, he had no power to do that, neither you have the power. That is the difference between you and God.
Yaśomatīnandana: In other words, "If God is like me, then I'll accept him as God, but if he's not like me, then he is not God."
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is... Means...
Karandhara: No, they say, "If God is absolute, then he has to be obvious to everyone." Just like the sun comes up. The sun is obvious to everyone whether they believe in it or not.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but who is in the room, closing the room, how he can see?
Prajāpati: If they're asleep.
Prabhupāda: If somebody's sleeping just like owl, he cannot see the sun. The sun is a fact, but the owl cannot see.
Karandhara: The owl can see if it looks at it.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but... Therefore if you look, then you'll see.
Karandhara: Well, they think they are looking.
Prabhupāda: No, they are not looking, not in the process.
Yaśomatīnandana: And God is also obvious to them in different manifestations.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yaśomatīnandana: Birth, death, old age, disease, then trees, sun, the moon, the stars, the planets, these are also different manifestations of God.
Karandhara: No, there's no need to accept that's a God.
Yaśomatīnandana: Well, there are different manifestations of God. Just like we don't know the sun planet in it's full details. We just know...
Prabhupāda: No, the sun, here it is not fully risen. But there is some place-sun is now full-fledged. But because you are here, you cannot say, "The sun cannot be full fledged." But that's a fact. Now in India, not India, somewhere else, the sun is now twelve o'clock, is it not?
Prajāpati: Hawaii.
Prabhupāda: Yes, because time difference. But they are seeing, "Oh, sun is so full-fledged, so shining." You are not seeing. That is your inefficiency.
Karandhara: But they are able to experience that by their traveling.
Prabhupāda: Yes, so if you travel, you will also experience. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet (MU 1.2.12). Then you'll also experience. We don't say that you are unable to, but if you adopt the process you'll also know.