Devotee (1): What is an example of the throwing potency of māyā?
Prabhupāda: Throwing potency means somebody comes to take Kṛṣṇa consciousness and māyā will dictate, "Why you have come here? Go and enjoy life outside." And he goes away. That is throwing.
Dr. Patel: Crying?
Prabhupāda: Throwing, that gets him out. This is throwing. And this is called... What is called? The Sanskrit? Prakṣepatmika.
Dr. Patel: Prakṣeka?
Prabhupāda: Prakṣepatmika.
Dr. Patel: Oh, prakṣepatmika.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And another is avaranatmika.
Dr. Patel: Avarana.
Prabhupāda: Avarana. He is in the most abominable condition, and he is thinking he is very happy. This is avaranatmika, covering him to see in the real position. Otherwise we are asking everyone that "You come here. I am giving you room. Take prasādam. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Read these books." "No. Why shall I come?" What is the difficulty here? But nobody will come. He will rot in the home-anxiety—how to maintain, how to... This is going on. This is called prakṣepatmika, avaranātmika. He will prefer rotting as hog and dog, but he will never prefer to live as Kṛṣṇa conscious. This is māyā. So many people are there on the beach. You invite them, "Please come to our place. Live nicely. We shall give you nice room, nice prasādam. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." Nobody will come.
Dr. Patel: It is good that they are not coming. Otherwise you won't have this place...
Prabhupāda: No, no. We have enough place. We are not depending on Dr. Patel, but Kṛṣṇa. (laughter)
Devotees: Haribol! Haribol!
Dr. Patel: You rate me very badly.
Prabhupāda: No, because you are saying like that. You do not know that I started this business without nothing, you see, with practical nothing. I offered Mr. Nair that "I will give you two lakhs, and the balance I'll give you in three years." So who will believe? "He is a beggar, and he promises to give me fifteen lakhs of rupees within three years." Who will believe that? He knew that "He will not be able to pay. So whatever two lakhs, three lakhs he gives, that will be mine. That's all. Bas." And I was thinking, "He is such a nice gentleman that he will take money, little, little, and I will collect and pay. He is a nice gentleman," I was thinking. And he was thinking, "He's a great fool, (laughter) that he is offering me two lakhs, three lakhs, and he will never be able to pay me balance." So this was the transaction beginning.
Dr. Patel: He had made such transaction before also, I think.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He knew that. I thought, "He is a very nice man. He'll take money one after another, so let me take it." This was the beginning.
Dr. Patel: I think he died before you completed the transaction. He died, no?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: So both Jagamanta, Hapebo,(?) all of them I will one day drive and then you'll...
Prabhupāda: But as soon as they will not get tea, they will go away. You may bring all the Bombay residents, and when they will see there is no tea, they will go away. (laughter)
Nayanābhirāma: Śrīla Prabhupāda, that happened in Vṛndāvana once.
Prabhupāda: I know that. That is the trouble.
Bhāgavata: They would not stay in the guesthouse because they could not make their tea.
Nayanābhirāma: He said, "Without tea I cannot live." So he went away.
Dr. Patel: Where? Here this Vṛndāvana?
Prabhupāda: No, that I have allowed, that they can make their own tea.
Dr. Patel: You don't allow the tea here in the...?
Prabhupāda: No.
Brahmānanda: They can make their own tea. There's a special area for that.
Dr. Patel: Many of these boys must have taking tea in past. How they could stop it?
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Dr. Patel: Many of them must be taking...
Prabhupāda: No, no, no.
Dr. Patel: Not now, before.
Prabhupāda: Oh, before they are taking anything. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: How could they stop it? By virtue of the strength of the mind. That man, if he has got no strength of mind, he should not...
Prabhupāda: That is Kṛṣṇa conscious. The government spent millions of dollars to stop LSD habit. But when they come to me, I say, "You cannot do it." They immediately stopped. Therefore U.S. government is sympathetic to this movement. They are surprised how these drug-addicted men are becoming servant of Kṛṣṇa. One Dr. Judah, he has written a book about us, that the "wonderful..."
Dr. Patel: LSD begets a condition of the mind just like...
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be...
Dr. Patel: ...nirakalpa-samādhi. One man told me that's a very good... (laughing) I say we...
Prabhupāda: That is another nonsense. Nonsense. Fools.
Dr. Patel: Nirakalpa-samādhi. But they must be getting some sort of condition of the mind, though temporary. That is why they must have turned to that, no?
Prabhupāda: There is no consciousness.
Dr. Patel: Were you having the experience?
Prabhupāda: First of all you must give it up. Our philosophy is first of all you must give it up, all these bad habits.
Dr. Patel: That is the first condition among Vaiṣṇavas, that they should not have any of these, neither...
Prabhupāda: Illicit sex, then meat-eating. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. Jaya. Jaya. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break)