Prabhupāda: Now when I was coming on the dais, one gentleman remarked that "Your this movement will help forgetful Indians who are trying to forget God." Not only in India; throughout the whole world they are trying to forget God. And this forgetfulness of our relationship with God is material condition. Material life and spiritual life, the difference is that when we forget God, that is material. And when we are fully conscious of God, that is spiritual life.
(aside) Why they are allowed to sit here? . . . (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: All the children should leave? Should I ask? All the children should leave?
Prabhupāda: Not leave, just keep them quiet.
Śyāmasundara: Would all the children kindly be very quiet during tonight's lecture, please? Can your parents have their children here, kindly keep them quiet so that Śrīla Prabhupāda can be heard by everyone, please.
Prabhupāda: The real disease is, as it is stated by a Vaiṣṇava poet:
- kṛṣṇa bhuliya jīva bhoga vañcha kare
- pāśate māyā tāre jāpaṭiyā dhare
- (Prema-vivarta)
When we forget Kṛṣṇa and want to lord it over the material nature, this is called māyā. Māyā means which has no factual existence. So this idea that "I shall lord it over the material nature," this is māyā.