Prabhupāda: Nothing cannot be created. Life also cannot be created. They are already there. But matter is manifest, not by . . . (indistinct) . . .. Just like this body is manifest because the life is there. Now, this body will be destroyed, but I will exist. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13). I will accept another body, and it will grow. Therefore the matter grows on the basis of life, not that from matter, life comes. This is all rascaldom. So now, by the grace of. . . We have got scientists. Let them protest. Save the people from this ignorance. Mūḍhā. That is our mission. Give them chance. They have got human body. Let them become Kṛṣṇa conscious and give up all this nonsense thing. Hitvā anyathā rūpaṁ svarūpena vyavasthitiḥ (SB 2.10.6). Mukti. This is mukti. They are mad after something wrong. So they should be saved, and they should give up this so-called materialism and come to service to the Kṛṣṇa, his eternal job. Then that is mukti. Then he is liberated.
Rūpānuga: So this book, actually, is directed to scientifically-minded people, because in this age people are getting educated. They are getting scientific-minded.
Prabhupāda: But they are creating problem. The psychiatrists came to see me, where? Cascaras? Caracas. So I said—he admitted, both the psychiatrists—that "You are not treating the real person who is diseased." I gave him the example that "You have got good car, but the driver is a madman, and he is creating disaster, and you psychiatrists are going to cure it. You never say that 'The driver is bad. Change him or just educate him. Then there will be no disaster.' But you are taking your fees and giving some repairing in the car. But you do not know what is the original cause of disaster. It is not chance. Due to the bad driver." So our propaganda is to give the bad driver nice knowledge so that he can drive the car to Vaikuṇṭha. That is our position. And these rascals, the materialists, they are simply painting the body of the car. And the driver? "Let him starve."
Rūpānuga: They are like the cheating mechanics.
Prabhupāda: That's all. All these medical men, psychiatrists, they are simply painting the body of the car. That's all. What is that?
Bir Lakṣmaṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, the scientists, they've reported in one journal of theirs that by taking some chemicals of methane, ammonia and carbon and injecting it with electricity, that equation or that formula equates into. . . an energy that is called amino acid in due course of time. That is, they say, the building blocks of life, of protein.
Prabhupāda: So why do they not do that?
Bir Lakṣmaṇa: They've made an experiment. . .
Prabhupāda: That means they are not in knowledge. That I am speaking, the barking dog. First of all make experiment, produce life. Then come and say. Otherwise, don't bark like a dog, imitation. Simply big, big words. Produce. Our theory is that. . . In the śāstra it is said, harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam, kalau nāsty eva nās. . . (CC Adi 17.21). That practical proof we are giving, that these Europeans, Americans, they are simply chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, and how they are coming out. This practical proof. They did not know five year, six years ago what is Kṛṣṇa, what is Kṛṣṇa's name. But we are taking the conclusion of the śāstra: in this age, if one chants Hare Kṛṣṇa, he becomes spiritualized. That is becoming, practically. It is not theory. How so many devotees are in this Atlanta, here? Anywhere, wherever we have started, how they have become devotee? Caitanya Mahāprabhu said that "You follow this formula and you will become God conscious." That is being practically proved. It is not theory. So that is Vedic knowledge. You adopt Vedic knowledge and get the result, not that "This ammonia, this chemical, that chemical, but I cannot do anything." The rascal said, "That I cannot say." You. . .
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: He asked him, that rascal chemist, that "If I give you the chemicals, can you manufacture life?" That time he said, "No, that I cannot say." Why do you say like that? In the beginning, in New York, that storefront, the Satsvarūpa is with. . . and Hayagrīva and. . . And "You chant simply." You were also there. So this chanting is proving efficient. That is Vedic knowledge. It is not theory. Our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not theory or mental speculation. It is a fact. So therefore it is said, guru-mukha-padma-vākya, cittete koriyā aikya, ār nā koriho mane āśā.
So whatever little success I have got, it is only for this reason. My Guru Mahārāja said that "You go and preach whatever you learned in English language." That's all. So I came here with this faith, that "My Guru Mahārāja said. I must be successful." I did not show any jugglery to you, gold-making jugglery. Where is my gold? I came with forty rupees first. (chuckles) So these are Vedic instruction, guru-mukha-padma-vākya, and śrī-guru-caraṇe rati, ei se uttama-gati. That is real progress. So this is Vedic instruction. We have to follow the Vedic injunction. Then you will be successful. Not these rascals' theory. It is useless.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The standard of knowledge has to be there, but they do not know that there is a standard. The scientists, these researchers working in different fields, not only scientists, any field of knowledge, there must be a standard. So the. . .
Prabhupāda: The standard is given by. . . That is standard, as that Vedic language, Vedic instruction. Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu gave the standard, harer nāma (CC Adi 17.21): "Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." Immediately successful. That is standard. Otherwise, how you will find standard? Therefore it is said, guru-mukha-pad. . . That is standard. What you . . . (indistinct) . . . from a bona fide guru, that is standard. Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65). Anyone who will do this standard, he will become devotee. And as soon as he become devotee, he is fit for going back to home, back to Godhead. Yes, this is standard. What Kṛṣṇa says? Find out this verse: man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru. Whatever Kṛṣṇa says, that is standard. All nonsense. Ār nā koriho mane āśā. Don't accept anything. This is standard.