Hayagrīva: We might be able to . . . now what is this second scene? This is another temple.
Prabhupāda: This is another temple, yes. Here also, this temple, Sākṣi-gopāla.
Hayagrīva: I might be able to combine these, if they . . .
Prabhupāda: No. They are different temples. So Lord Caitanya is visiting different temples, that you have to show. And each temple, the significance of the temple has to be described. Especially the Deity. When the importance is to the Deity, the Deity should be shown nicely decorated.
Hayagrīva: Hmm. Well I don't know if I have enough information for that first scene. But I'll think of something. I don't know if I have enough information for the first scene. It can be very short.
Prabhupāda: First scene, why you have to . . . the ārātrika is going on and kīrtana is going on, you can continue for five minutes, ten minutes the kīrtana, and short description of the Deity. That's all. That will finish.
Hayagrīva: Now the other is the Sākṣi-gopāla.
Prabhupāda: Sākṣi-gopāla. Sākṣi means witness. Gopāla . . . that picture, we have brought that big picture, that is Gopāla mūrti—alone standing Kṛṣṇa and playing . . . you have seen that big picture?
Hayagrīva: The big picture, yes.
Prabhupāda: A Deity like that should be situated in that temple. And His name is Sākṣi-gopāla. These . . . similarly, Lord Caitanya entered with His party and saw the ārātrika in Gopāla temple. Then the story of the Gopāla, Sākṣi, why He was known as Sākṣi-gopāla.
Hayagrīva: Saw Darate? Saw what? Darate. He saw . . .
Prabhupāda: Ārati.
Hayagrīva: Entered and saw in the Sākṣi temple and saw . . .? What did you say?
Prabhupāda: Sākṣi-gopāla means witness Gopāla. Witness. So how He became witness, that story was also narrated by Nityānanda to Caitanya Mahāprabhu. That story is that in that village, two brāhmins . . . that's a very long story.
Hayagrīva: What does this have to do with this temple? What does this story have to do with the temple? Lord Caitanya has entered this temple.
Prabhupāda: That's all. But how this temple was established, how Gopāla was established, that history is in that story. The Sākṣi-gopāla means witness. This Gopāla was situated in Vṛndāvana, but to give witness for His devotee He came to Orissa, that place. That is the significance of this Gopāla. Do you follow?
Hayagrīva: No. (laughs) No.
Prabhupāda: This Gopāla was situated at Vṛndāvana. Vṛndāvana means about more than one thousand miles away from where the temple is situated now. But He came one thousand miles to give witness for His devotee. Since then, Gopāla is situated there. So that story is narrated. So that story should be narrated, or what? How to do it? That is the significance of the temple. There was some family quarrel, and Gopāla came to give witness to decide judgment on that quarrel. So is it possible to describe?
Hayagrīva: I think from a dramatic point of view, in your third act, you can't have too many narrations. It becomes very tedious, if you have a narration—someone telling the history of various temples. Like in the first scene, now there's a story being told Lord Caitanya by Nityānanda. Now in the second scene He visits another temple. And is there going to be another narration about how the temple was founded? I don't think that's . . . I don't know. (laughs) Do you think that will be all right?
Prabhupāda: No. That will be all right in this way, that the narration should be shortly described in poetry, and that will be chanted with kīrtana. In that way, you see.
Hayagrīva: Yes. You see the first two acts . . . the first two acts there was a lot of action. There was a lot of action. Now we're in the third act, and we have two scenes . . . two scenes of description. Now they can be two short scenes of description. That'll be all right. That'll be all right, I think.