Dr. Kneupper: You say that man does not understand nature. The scientist studies nature but yet he doesn't really understand it.
Prabhupāda: Why they do not understand it? Why don't you understand that there is control over us? Where is the difficulty? Foolishly we do not try to understand. Do you admit it, that above us there is control? Do you admit?
Dr. Kneupper: Oh, yes.
Prabhupāda: No, anyone.
Dr. Kneupper: Some people do.
Prabhupāda: Why others? That means they are foolish.
Dr. Kneupper: Yes. Well, each person has his own thought.
Prabhupāda: No, no, that means... He may be rascal, but it is a fact there is control over us. Just like if there is no rain, is it not control over you? Can you produce rain?
Dr. Kneupper: I would say that there is a universal intelligence guiding everything.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that means control. How can you deny the control over you?
Dr. Kneupper: What do you understand is man's place in nature? Should he invent, let's say, electricity? Should he invent machines? Do you think these are good or should he just leave those alone?
Prabhupāda: Well, these are good or bad. Suppose if there was no, this comfortable pad. That does not mean that I cannot sit. If there was no electricity, it does not mean we would have died.
Dr. Kneupper: No.
Prabhupāda: There was lamp. We were doing that. So we don't condemn electricity, but it does not mean because we have got electricity, we shall deny the authority of God. That is rascaldom.
Dr. Kneupper: Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is rascaldom. You might have improved from the oil lamp to electricity. That does not mean that you have the control over God.
Dr. Kneupper: Yes, certainly not.