Atreya Ṛṣi: "I further state that I am holding monies and movable and immovable..."
Prabhupāda: No, why he's...? He's not holding money, GBC.
Atreya Ṛṣi: So this I'll take out.
Prabhupāda: No, GBC, practically does not hold any money.
Atreya Ṛṣi: No.
Prabhupāda: Then why you...?
Haṁsadūta: You can say, "Any monies or properties under my direction..."
Jayatīrtha: That's what it should say.
Prabhupāda: Eh? What is that?
Haṁsadūta: Under, under his direction. Any monies or properties under his direction.
Atreya Ṛṣi: That would be a separate oath. That would be a separate thing, Prabhupāda.
Haṁsadūta: Maybe that should just be left out because if we're going to have some legal document like an umbrella, then that will take care of all those things.
Atreya Ṛṣi: Well, that should be in the pledge, in the agenda.
Prabhupāda: No, no, GBC... Does GBC members deal with money?
Haṁsadūta: No, he does not personally. He doesn't have anything personal.
Prabhupāda: No, no. I mean...
Brahmānanda: But he puts his signature.
Atreya Ṛṣi: No, no. As GBC, we do not deal with money. In other words, if you're dealing with money, it's the temple president.
Prabhupāda: The GB...
Atreya Ṛṣi: Not as...
Prabhupāda: The GBC should see that it is being done properly. Why he should...?
Haṁsadūta: But sometimes it...
Prabhupāda: ...involve himself in the...
Rūpānuga: Well, for example, in New York...
Prabhupāda: ...internal management?
Rūpānuga: Well, in New York, for example, I just recently signed with Gopī-jana-vallabha Prabhu the papers on the farm. I signed conjointly with him on the farm because the officers had to sign, and we just recently had a thing in New York, ISKCON, Los Angeles, New York.
Prabhupāda: No, no, "sign" another thing. That I have signed, many.
Rūpānuga: So that's all right.
Prabhupāda: The one thing is that GBC is wandering. If the checks are to be signed, then where is the GBC?
Rūpānuga: There's no account, no GBC account.
Prabhupāda: The... The money matters should be dealt with the president, secretary and the treasurer, three men. Out of three, two should sign. And GBC's business is to see that things are going on, money matters. That's all. GBC is not supposed to deal directly. He has to inspect. That's all.
Atreya Ṛṣi: So I can cross this...
Prabhupāda: Just like... But the thing is, if the GBC and the president is the same man, that is not good. That is not good. The president should be separate. So the president, treasurer and secretary, they will deal directly, and GBC should inspect book, account, that it is done very nicely. That's all. You can question, "Why you have done this?" That's nice. Otherwise, in the..., it will be difficult to manage.
Rūpānuga: Yes. We don't want to become entangled in that money.
Prabhupāda: Ah!
Rūpānuga: We don't want to become entangled in that money.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Madhudviṣa: What controls? What controls in the matter of money then?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Madhudviṣa: Who has control of the money?
Prabhupāda: Control means if there is vigilant, I mean to say, examination, inspection, then there is control of money.
Madhudviṣa: Well, let's say someone gives the temple president some money, and he puts in an account with his name and the treasurer's name, and they both conspire and take the money. Then there's no...
Prabhupāda: Yes. That you can do also.
Atreya Ṛṣi: Anyway...
Madhudviṣa: Yes, but...
Prabhupāda: GBC can do also.
Madhudviṣa: But isn't the GBC supposed to be more trusted than the temple president?
Prabhupāda: Then everyone can do, who has got the...
Bhagavān: The BBT trustees did it.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Bhagavān: The BBT trustees also did it. They took unsanctioned loan from the BBT.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.