Nava-yauvana: The misfortunate thing is that people in general have faith in the scientists.
Prabhupāda: So you have to create people to have faith in Kṛṣṇa. If people are going by faith, so you have to create this faith that Kṛṣṇa, that's all. They can create, you can create. And they criticize our destiny theory, believe in the destiny. They criticize it. So why they'll depend on chance theory? What is the difference, destiny and chance?
Nava-yauvana: Destiny means there is controller.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Nava-yauvana: Destiny means there is a controller.
Prabhupāda: That's all right, but they cannot explain what is that controller; therefore they disbelieve. Just like yesterday we were discussing that atheist class, they are by chance there was lusty desires and there was pregnancy and there will be child. So we say: "No. Daiva-netreṇa. These things have been arranged by superior authorities." This is destiny, that what is already arranged by superior authority, that is destiny. You cannot change it. A man is ordered to be hanged by the court justice, you cannot change it. He is to be hanged. And they will say, "By chance he will be hanged."
Jñānagamya: Sometimes something happens to interfere with that. He gets a reprieve from the governor, or the rope breaks, and they only hang him once, like that.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing, but first thing is that if one is ordered to be hanged, he has to be hanged. Destined. But these people, they do not see who has ordered because they do not accept authority. They will say: "It is by chance." They have not seen who has ordered, who is that authority. They cannot explain, therefore they say "chance."
Jñānagamya: They have no science of astrology, so they cannot understand the universe and how it's working.
Prabhupāda: Astrology . . . I don't think they believe in astrology. There is no question of astrology. We practically we see that one man ordered to be hanged by the justice, he has to be hanged. That is destiny. One has not seen who has ordered, but he sees that, "This man is being hanged." He cannot explain; he says: "By chance." So whose explanation is right? The chance explanation or the destiny explanation—which is right?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Actually, logically, I cannot see how there is any chance, not a single. When I was a child I used to give an argument to my friend, and he used to say: "A chance. Everything is chance. It is like a lottery ticket." I said to him, "If you don't buy the lottery ticket and win $50,000, then that is chance. But if you buy the lottery ticket . . ."
Prabhupāda: How it is chance?
Ātreya Ṛṣi: There is no chance, because you bought the lottery ticket, so . . .
Prabhupāda: Your destiny. Then your destiny.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: They miss the order and the controller and the organizer.
Prabhupāda: That is whole purpose—how to defy God. That is their whole plan.