Prabhupāda: How? Kṛṣṇa says, yānti deva-vratā devān (BG 9.25). How, you nonsense, straightly say that everyone goes to God? This is nonsense. You can go to Śiva, you can go to Indra, Chandra . . . there are so many planets, and you'll go there. And that is reasonable. And how do you say that "Whatever ticket I purchase, I go to this, Delhi?"
Vāsughoṣa: They say that all . . . they're all the same.
Prabhupāda: "They say." Therefore they are nonsense, mūḍha, rascals. They do not know what is God, what is demigod, what is Lord Śiva, what is Lord Viṣṇu or Brahmā. They do not know. If a woman says: "Oh, everyone is my husband," then she is a prostitute. That's all. A chaste woman will say: "No, there is one, my husband. That's all." That is chaste woman. And if she is liberal, if she says: "No, no, everyone is my husband," that means she is prostitute. She does not know what is value of husband. In Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa says, kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ yajante anya devatāḥ (BG 7.20): "Those who have adhered to other demigods, they have lost their intelligence," hṛta-jñānāḥ, "rascals." They'll go. Kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ yajante anya devatāḥ. Antavat tu phalaṁ teṣāṁ tad bhavaty alpa-medhasām (BG 7.23). Because they are rascals, they prefer like that. The public opinion will be taken; Kṛṣṇa's opinion will be . . . public is rascals. They can say all nonsense. That is not to be taken. You have to take—that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement—what Kṛṣṇa says. What do you think? Kṛṣṇa says, kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ yajante anya devatāḥ.
Indian man (1): Śrīla Prabhupāda? But one man in Bangalore was talking. He was saying that everything there goes to Govinda, even . . . (indistinct) . . . in the Bhagavad-gītā . . . (indistinct) . . . because so many people following, they are also following.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So public opinion dictates that "This property is ours." Will he give by votes? Why he'll protest on that point?
Indian man (1): His point is that because everyone is telling Kṛṣṇa is Supreme, therefore you are also supreme, but what does it proof that Kṛṣṇa is Supreme? Everyone is calling as . . .
Prabhupāda: So we have to meet such rascals and we have to preach. The world is full of rascals, mūḍha. What can be done? But we cannot change our preaching because the rascals are many. That is not . . . we cannot make that . . .
Indian man (1): There is no medicine for mūḍhas.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There is medicine: there is beating with shoes. That is medicine. Mūrkhasya laktausadhiḥ, argumentum baculum. You cannot mildly speak to the animals, "My dear cow, my dear dog, please do not bark. Do not go this way." No, you require lāṭhi, stick, and they will behave. Can you stop dog's barking by simply request? But you take the stick and beat it, and he will stop. Mūrkhasya laktausadhiḥ. So there is no king. There is no kṣatriya. Therefore these rascals are talking all nonsense. There is no śāsana. This is king's duty, to see that they are acting according to śāstra. But there is no such king. So everyone is acting whimsically, whatever he likes, and the so-called svāmīs are preaching, "No, no, whatever you like, that's all right. You can eat whatever you like. You can do whatever you like. You think yourself that you are God, that's all right." This is going on. By thinking himself that he's God, he becomes God. This is going on, so many meditations: "I am moving the sun, I am moving the moon, I am moving . . . mo-mo-mo-mo." (laughter) And rascals are following them.