Svarūpa Dāmodara: It's very convenient. Like this logical positivism . . . Darwin's . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is very good argument, that these rascals have never produced life, and why do they say like that? It's good argument, because they say that "We have not seen; therefore we don't believe." They're experimental. But you have not experimented. Why you push? Why you brainwash my brain? (laughter)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: According to this logical positivism, you can say that it is convenient to say that man has arisen from apes, but that is not the truth.
Prabhupāda: There is no experiment.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: There's no experiment, but it is convenient to assume according to this logic; but that's not a fact.
Prabhupāda: But why the modern ape is not producing any human being?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They say that's a long time ago.
Prabhupāda: Long time.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Millions of years ago.
Prabhupāda: But why man is producing man, not the ape? Just see how they lunatic they are.
Bhāgavata: Why does the process of evolution stop?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It's convenient to assume that way, but that's not a fact.
Gurukṛpā: Convenient means for your sense gratification.
Prabhupāda: So we have to discuss so many things, immense field. Go out . . . (break) At least you have to accept that "I am blind." So how you can show others the path? You are blind.
Jayapatākā: By distributing your books, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Then the people begin to realize that the scientists are blind. Once they begin to disbelieve and doubt the scientists, then the scientists themselves will also . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Jayapatākā: . . .be able to come out with the truth.
Prabhupāda: When a common man will challenge them, that "You are rascal. You are blind. You are showing us road?" then it will be. I refuse to accept it.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Also, first of all, we have to show that their theory . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . .is wrong.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Then give an alternative view, and see which one is based on more real knowledge. Then they'll accept. Otherwise they will not.
Prabhupāda: So that duty is now entrusted to you, in your hands. Do it very nicely. Kṛṣṇa will help you. (break)
Jayapatākā: . . .to disprove them. But we have the true fact, but they cannot . . . Then let them disprove that.